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The worst-case scenario is now a possible one: European troops fighting off an invasion largely alone.

It’s by no means clear the Europeans would succeed. Romanian and other European officials at the exercise in Cincu, about 260 kilometers (162 miles) north of Bucharest by road, voiced concerns about how long it would take for NATO allies to make it to the front.

French four-star General Philippe de Montenon said he’s confident Europe could prevail, even without the US on side. “The direction of history is a progressive disengagement of the United States from the European continent,” he said.

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[–] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

how do you suppose a mild relation with russia could be achieved in this scenario?

[–] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The way it was from the late 90s to the early 2010s: by allowing them to have their Russian sphere of influence (Georgia, Moldova, Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan...) the same way US ans Germany enjoy their own.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And if Ukraine doesn't want to be a part of that, then fuck them I guess?

[–] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I wish you had the same level of concern for Mexicans, Venezuelans, Argentinians, Guatemalans, Cubans, Hondurans and Puertorricans. As a western citizen you should be primarily concerned with the consequences on the sphere of influence of your country.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Ultimate whataboutism final boss

[–] doben@lemmy.wtf 1 points 17 hours ago

It's a comparison, not whataboutism. They're comparing similar things, they're not trying to shift the discussion somewhere else.

[–] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 1 points 22 hours ago

Big imperialist capitalist countries want to have spheres of influence, especially in their immediate proximity, this is basic geopolitics. Intruding reach other's leads to escalation. It really is that simple.

Also, in case you didn't think of this: joining a military pact isn't a human right. It is totally possible and sometimes very rational to say "no" to a country who wants to join it. I'd bet my ass you would have absolutely no problem with the EU rejecting countries from joining such as Morocco, Algeria, Libya or Saudi Arabia. If you don't see that NATO allowing neighboring countries to Russia to join it is an escalation towards Russia, I don't know what to tell you. I tried to explain how Mexico joining a military pact with China and/or Russia would be a horrible idea in terms of escalation and risk of war.