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[–] godsammitdam@lemmy.zip 75 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (2 children)

In this context, the translation is absolutely correct in my opinion. I can't really think of a context where "lolicon" being translated to pedophile would be incorrect. -con like siscons, brocons, etc are complexes or obsessions. Lolicon is a complex or obsession with, drawn or not, prepubescent minors.

Loli, not lolicon, can refer to both an individual who looks like the target of a lolicon (a prepubescent minor), or is short for Lolita fashion, which is meant to be a cute fashion style inspired by Victorian-era dress with archetypes like goth-loli.

For those wondering why Japan, a very shame based culture, feels more accepting of this, and why it seemingly appears in anime/manga culture so much, CSAM possession was legal, technically, up to 2014. CSAM production and dissemination only started being legislated in 1999, with much pressure from the west. Again, it is absolutely abhorrent and a crime, but culturally in Japan, many feel they are being forced to adapt at a rapid pace. There's a tangential relation between western conservatives and Japan when it comes to acceptance and cultural change (I wasn't referring to pedocon theory, but hey, it's a theory like gravity at this point with it being proven each passing month.)

Bonsai Pop's video on the Rurouni Kenshin mangaka goes into detail on this as he was found with a massive collection of this material. Which, again, was legal for him to own 3 years prior (he was arrested in 2017) regardless of how ethically abhorrent it was. Which it absolutely is. I believe his case was a case of hurt people hurt people in that he was abused as a minor and developed his complex. He never directly harmed children as far as we know, but he did own a large CSAM collection, which absolutely furthers a climate in which exploitation thrives. It's believed he was likely being used as an example by the state given how public the arrest was while how minor the punishment was.

[–] PlasmaSnake@lemmy.world 0 points 19 minutes ago* (last edited 16 minutes ago)

I disagree. A lolicon can also be defined as a person into lolicon, with no interest in actual children. Since she's holding a lolicon manga, this would be a valid interpretation. Whether it would be a more correct translation, I don't know

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 25 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

He never directly harmed children as far as we know

I absolutely loathe the entire apologist view of "They never directly harmed a child, they just had 45tb of pictures of children being harmed"

Buying/trading CSAM material IS directly harming children, because your activities are actively creating and furthering a demand for children to be molested and raped, Which very much means your hand is actively causing the harm, whether its directly against the child, or every other activity that creates the market that encourages molestation and rape. everyone participating in it is actively and directly harming children.

[–] godsammitdam@lemmy.zip 15 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

I don't disagree.

I was merely stating it as a fact of the case in why he, potentially, only received a light fine and no jail time. That's on the Japanese court system.

The American system is nearly as bad (arguably worse) so long as you are wealthy and/or have political power.

Because yes, everyone involved, both directly and indirectly, create the climate in which exploitation thrives.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org 3 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Buying/trading CSAM material IS directly harming children, because your activities are actively creating and furthering a demand for children to be molested and raped,

i get your argument, but who says they paid for it?

[–] lovely_reader@lemmy.world 5 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I'm not the person you're talking to, but in today's attention economy-centric society, there are more currencies supporting "content" markets than just money.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org 3 points 6 hours ago

hmm yeah ok

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

No one? I assume you are assuming so due to me using the word market.

While it paying for it certainly exists, there is also trading. He could have easily traded for it.

Besides,the why or what he exchanged for it is irrelevant to the point that he was a fucking pedophile that had a metric fuckton of CSAM.

[–] regdog@lemmy.world 168 points 16 hours ago (1 children)
[–] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 38 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (2 children)

ITT: a bunch of lemmings out themselves as pedos.

[–] M137@lemmy.today 2 points 6 hours ago

Which isn't surprising at all, tons of weebs here so that just comes with the territory. I have not once met a weeb that I didn't feel was at least a bit creepy, and they always have so much social awkwardness and major lack of self awareness.
I really hope Anime stops being popular one day, the world was better before it became a thing.

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[–] Batmancer@sh.itjust.works 32 points 13 hours ago (12 children)

My partner sometimes asks me, What’s that anime you don’t like to tell people you like?

Mushoku Tensei Jobless Reincarnation

I like the art and merciless world they live in and a lot of the characters but that show I probably fast forward scenes more than any other. Shield Hero is probably second with the lusting for the little chocobo(giant bird thing) princess that can change to little girl.

[–] outerspace@lemmy.zip 20 points 11 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 16 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

I really wanted to like this one. The setting and story setup were really good. A fine example of "it really doesn't need this"

[–] turdas@suppo.fi 11 points 7 hours ago

The MiA author is definitely a sex pervert (the volume extras leave no question of this), but children being put through incredibly fucked up dangerous body horror situations because most adults in the setting are useless and/or evil is like half the point of the story. It really does need that.

The fanservice stuff, on the other hand, is either just Japan being Japan, or further playing into the lost innocence theme above. I think one can convincingly argue for it being a little bit of both or entirely just the former, but it almost certainly is not entirely just the latter.

[–] smiletolerantly@awful.systems 3 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Yeah. Out of curiosity though, how far did you get into it?

(Not that it gets better in this regard or anything)

[–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 hours ago

I made it through some bad stuff, but ejected at some point. The last arc I remember they visited something like a waystation and had to kill someone? Memory is fuzzy. Don't recall what made me drop it.

Shame, because the art was cool and I liked the world. Artist 100% a creep.

[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 5 points 7 hours ago

I got up to leaving the place with the tall woman and the maid boy switched to the manga and iirc found it was more egregious but got as far as the next creepozoid that was keeping some melted girl in a briefcase or something, it just got to the point where it felt like it was trying to be pedo bloodborne and the mysterious fantasy never ending hole in the ground became less enticing. I'll stick to amigara fault for holes to crawl into.

[–] BananaIsABerry@lemmy.zip 16 points 13 hours ago

I have mostly swapped to reading Korean manwha instead of Manga because of this. Going back and reading some of the Manga I used to like is a bit of a shock as a full grown adult now. So much is geared to young, horny teens.

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[–] kboos1@lemmy.world 219 points 20 hours ago (60 children)

Is it not? The definition is the sexualization of a minor or prepubescent girl in anime/manga. Sounds like pedophilia to me.

[–] Gormadt@slrpnk.net 7 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

"But she's a 500 year old [dragon/elf/vampire/etc] in human form, it's fine bro."

Looks like a child, acts like a child, would be considered a child by their own culture/species: That's a child bro.

I'd like to say I've never had that conversation but I have.

"Miss Kobayashi's Dragon Maid" was fine (though not everyone's cup of tea) until they started to sexualize the minors (which was basically at the introduction of the child "dragon"). Then I stopped watching it. And from what I hear, I picked a good spot to stop watching as it only got worse from there in regards to the minor characters.

EDIT: I should probably clarify for those that think I support that kind of content, I do not.

[–] DrPop@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago

It's been awhile since I watched Dragon Maid but I don't recall that happening with her, maybe I blacked it out. Well there was the other child that was obsessed with her, I just don't remember anything sexual. I do know that the relationship between the older big tiddy dragon and that boy feels innapropriate. I remembered while writing there is another child dragon with what I would describe as "bodankahonkaroos". Maybe you're right. I also think I recall the mangaka making porn of their characters to boost popularity.

Anime can have relationships between minors without oversexualization, even if that is what the characters are feeling.

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