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This is one of my biggest reasons for increasing my data privacy journey. Does anybody have any info/ opnions on whether creating a data vacuum through VPN usage and degoogling affects your digital footprint in terms of these surveillance pricing?
I’d also like to know. Sellers can know when you’re using a popular VPN service or have DeGoogled, but I don’t know how they may use that information. Perhaps they’ll try to punish you into submission by jacking prices to the moon or refusing to serve their website altogether. Reddit and some other sites already block VPNs.

There will never be a silver bullet, because this will be an endless arms race between sellers and savvy consumers.
Does anybody have any info/ opnions on whether creating a data vacuum through VPN usage and degoogling affects your digital footprint in terms of these surveillance pricing?
Info no. Opinions yes!
It make sense to me, that if you lack a big digital footprint, they will give the highest price.
They always call these discounts, not extra fees. Put the tracker in your car, get cheaper car insurance! Use our club card, enjoy discounted groceries! They don't call it an extra cost if you don't. Even though it's mathematically the same! I think there may even be a legal difference. There is certainly a psychological difference between "you get charged extra" which nobody wants, and "get a discount". Yayyyy! Who doesn't enjoy a discount???
Also, they want to make the attractive choice, the one that gives them the most data. So they will crank up the pain for ppl who opt out of the surveilence.
There is a glimmer of hope tho! Basically NOBODY likes this suveilence pricing. There are 24 US states that have pending bills to ban the practice. Maryland have passed theirs already. This is another case where writing to our reps makes a difference.
The truth is no one except those inside the companies determining pricing really knows. And it can change at anytime if they find some new price discrimination data point to exploit. In the video they say it basically comes down to a desperation score.
My guess/sense at this moment is that it’s slightly better as the type of person willing to learn and explore the privacy options and settings and have a little extra income to put towards them will be aware of shopping alternatives and therefore have a lower desperation score
Super question. 👍🏼
I don’t think this guy has hacked surveillance pricing in ways that are practicably replicable, but his video has piqued my curiosity.
Edit to add: There doesn’t seem to be much in the way of evidence-based, practical advice currently, except to shop in physical stores and to comparison shop. https://www.kqed.org/news/12088157/surveillance-pricing-is-making-life-more-expensive-heres-how-it-works-and-what-you-can-do
Completely un-replicable. There's just no way my drone will reach Minnesota from Ireland.
I'll get my coat...