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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/49853131

Feels to me like GrapheneOS did exactly what it should, passing the US border test with flying colours!

Funny part about this lawsuit: “With a little planning ahead of time, you can always download the data you need once you get to where you’re going,”

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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 9 points 11 hours ago

Yeah I wonder what the penalty is for doing something legal with something you own.

[–] mazzilius_marsti@lemmy.world 12 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

GrapheneOS - the only OS that i just installed and forget about it. Sure i spend time to tweak things like profiles but thats it.

And I am a distro and rom hopper.

The security model is that good: duress pin, scrambled pin, separate profiles with their own passwords, usb c restriction (you can set it charge only, charge while phone is off (most secure state).

[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

and yet people even here don't understand why it would be useful even without the hardware security thinhs of the pixel

[–] BigTwerp@feddit.uk 3 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

You can only install Graphene on a Google phone and there's two big issues with that:

  1. you are rewarding Google by buying their hardware.
  2. it doesn't matter how secure the os claims to be if the hardware is compromised and there is nothing you can do to convince me that a pixel doesn't have a backdoor into your data at a hardware level. If I was a conspiracy minded type I might say that Graphene is a Trojan Horse.
[–] badbytes@lemmy.world 19 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Would be cool to have your device partitioned by separate passwords, so you could unlock a dummy system.

[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 8 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

This is an excellent idea honestly.

[–] nitroemdash@lemmy.wtf 5 points 12 hours ago

There are ways to do this on some devices. Here's an article about it, Google translate'd to English:

https://dept-one.translate.goog/memo/second-space/?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=ru&_x_tr_pto=wapp

[–] mazzilius_marsti@lemmy.world 6 points 12 hours ago

yes you can. On Graphene you can set the main profile as just there with nothing except to control wifi/add esim/etc. Then you can create many profiles with their own passwords. You can store your work stuff in 1 profile, private stuff in another. You can even create a dummy profile with fake Google. .

The downside currently is that the OS autoboot to main profile. Then you switch to your other profiles.

[–] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 8 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

He would have had a lot better legal leg to stand on I think if he had just refused to give them any passcode. Now instead of a potential case of being forced to compel speech, he is facing what will be argued is an attempt to destroy evidence. His defense is probably a lot stronger with the former than the latter.

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 4 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

To charge someone with destroying evidence wouldn't they first have to somehow prove the evidence existed?

[–] mechoman444@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago

No they would have to prove that what was on his phone was evidence in the first place. Which is why arrest and search warrants list all kinds of potential evidence and if it isn't listed in the warrant they can't collect or use it against you.

I'm not exactly sure how this works during a border patrol search. It's technically his phone and if it's locked they would need his permission or a warrant to search it.

[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 6 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

That’s it. I’m getting a burner phone if I leave the country.

Edit: Serious question… what if you just wiped your phone and then restored it when you got wherever you were going?

[–] Shortstack@reddthat.com 6 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Honestly I’m not considering leaving at all while this administration is in power. We’ve already heard too many stories of arbitrary detentions even for lawful citizens or visitors that I simply don’t want to roll the dice on whether my vacation ends with a nightmare or just another flight in as normal

[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 hours ago

If I have to leave the US, its a one way trip

[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago
[–] itisileclerk@lemmy.world 13 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

What? US police can ask you for the phone password? No way! That is 100% police state. Stalin was amateur comparing to present day USA.

[–] timochka@lemmy.zip 1 points 59 minutes ago

The important thing is this: can you still deliver lectures to the rest of the world on the Importance of Freedom Of Speech, and the fact that only Yanks have it because Elon can worship Hitler on the Internet?

And the answer is, yes. Yes you can, and always will. So the actual reality isn't really important. Because all you actually learned from 1984 is that of the government tells you that you have freedom of speech, and also tells you that Eastasia and Eurasia don't, That's Good Enough For You and you're The Free-est People In The World.

[–] BigDiction@lemmy.world 6 points 11 hours ago

Yes US citizens cannot be compelled to provide a password, but biometrics such as fingerprint or Face ID can. Disable these when crossing into the US.

Non citizens can be detained and rejected for not providing access to a device via password. Best to bring a second device if you must enter. Depressing times.

[–] Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 7 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

I don't believe you can be compelled to provide a password. That does after all (at the very least) constitute speech. And freedom of speech is also freedom of non-speech, they can't make you say something.

They will however try to make you do that... In many situations authorities are allowed to lie to you. So that's sucks. They can tell you that you're required to unlock your phone, you just have to know that your not actually.

Also they can't make you say anything, but they can make you do things, like for instance "put your finger here" or "look into this camera", which is why biometric unlock is unsafe around cops.

[–] BlackAura@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

There's that one guy who is being held in contempt of the court (to be clear this is not the police asking for his password, but a judge in a court of law) because he won't give a password to decrypt a hard drive.

They believe it is highly likely that the drive contains sexually explicit material of children, which is why he's being held in prison until he gives up the password.

[–] DanceMomsSavedMe@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I would want to catch pedophiles too, but I seriously don't believe a damn thing any branch of this government says about anyone.

For all I know he has a video of trumps night out at Epstein island and that's why they want the password to destroy it.

Obviously probably not but still, I'm supposed to just take the scouts honor of our unhonorable government that this guy totally has this on his hard drive even if they can't prove it?

They could say this about any of us at any time for any devices password we won't give them.

I don't agree with this precedent.

[–] m3t00@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

vacation - phone, ntks. spammers would still find you. off maybe. working as intended

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 55 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

claimed they did not need a warrant to search Tunick’s phone because he had not yet crossed the U.S. border.

Also no right to search / seize his phone then. US law doesn't apply on non-US soil.

[–] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 30 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

If it's not US soil, it's not a detention, it's a rendition, a kidnapping.

Also, I don't know how citizenship works I this respect in the US, but in my country a citizen cannot be denied entry. It can be detained upon entering, but by then you are in sovereign soil.

[–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 5 points 15 hours ago

Its the same in the US. They can't deny entry to US citizens.

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 68 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Good.

That's legal, fuck you. It's my data, and I want it (gone) now!

[–] DanceMomsSavedMe@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Its good if the courts hold that sentiment up in his favor.

If they don't and take the border patrols side in this case then this just sets a horrific precedent for the future.

I hope the feds get raked over the coals in this court case and not only loose but get the dog shit sued out of them for this stunt.

I'm not optimistic anymore though.

[–] terezi@lemmy.blahaj.zone 144 points 1 day ago (13 children)

this was a streisand effect for me because i didn't have duress password set up on my grapheneos phone (security & privacy => device unlock) before but i do now! :D

[–] obvs@lemmy.world 19 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (2 children)

On GrapheneOS, you can also set a "second factor PIN" in the unlock settings under "Fingerprint Unlock", so that to unlock your screen you need to first use the fingerprint unlock and then separately enter your PIN. This means BOTH are required every time you unlock. Your phone can't be unlocked unless it's your finger AND unless you enter the PIN that only you know.

And under the Screen Lock settings you can also enable "Scramble PIN input layout", so that the number buttons on your unlock screen will be out of order, so people watching you or recording you can't just make note of the shape your index finger is making when touching the numbers to unlock your phone(like people looking over your shoulder or recording on store security cameras).

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