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    So I saw political compass memes a while ago and started making one, but then I started taking it too seriously and eventually turned it into a tier list. Idk if it makes sense to share it here, but idk where else to share such a thing. I also made a browser tier list, but idk where to share that either.

    This whole thing is a png export of a pure svg image. For some of the logos, I had to make them either from scratch or by using gimp and inkscape to convert a png into an svg (imperfect but good enough).

    Hopefully this is all formatted properly.

    OS Tier ListS-Tier (reasonably secure operating system):

    • Qubes OS

    Advanced (complicated setup and configuration):

    • Gentoo Linux
    • Guix System
    • Slackware Linux
    • Linux From Scratch (LFS)
    • Mobile NixOS
    • NixOS
    • Whonix
    • Predator-OS
    • Linux Kodachi
    • Gentoo FreeBSD

    Enhanced (optimized security and minimalism):

    • Alpine Linux
    • Hyperbola GNU/Linux-libre
    • Chimera Linux
    • EasyOS
    • postmarketOS
    • Tails
    • Kicksecure
    • NetHydra
    • ParrotOS
    • OpenBSD
    • GrapheneOS
    • Secureblue

    Minimal (maximally mini resource use):

    • Tiny Core Linux
    • LibreCMC
    • Void Linux
    • Puppy Linux
    • AsteroidOS
    • Slitaz
    • 4MLinux
    • OpenWrt
    • DragonFly BSD
    • FreeBSD
    • NetBSD

    Indie & BSD (independent distros and BSD systems):

    • PCLinuxOS
    • Dynebolic
    • KaOS
    • Mageia
    • LuneOS
    • Solus
    • AerynOS
    • GNOME OS
    • KDE Linux
    • GhostBSD

    Arch (reasonably fresh and arch-based):

    • SystemRescue
    • Parabola GNU/Linux-libre
    • pearOS
    • EndeavourOS
    • Nemo Mobile
    • Arch Linux Arm
    • BlackArch Linux
    • Archhurd
    • Archcraft
    • Nyarch
    • Ageless Arch
    • Arch Linux
    • CachyOS
    • Garuda Linux

    Debian (reasonably stable and debian-based):

    • Flora Linux-libre
    • Genuen
    • Devuan GNU+Linux
    • Loc-OS
    • antiX
    • MX Linux
    • Maemo Leste
    • Mobian
    • EmmabuntΓΌs
    • Linux Mint Debian Edition (LMDE)
    • Ageless Linux
    • Debian
    • KNOPPIX
    • PikaOS Linux
    • RetroPie
    • LibreElec
    • Vanilla OS

    Corpo-ish (corporation-created and/or dependent):

    • Replicant
    • Uruk GNU/Linux-libre
    • Trisquel GNU/Linux
    • AnduinOS
    • Linux Lite
    • UBports
    • Xubuntu
    • Lubuntu
    • Kubuntu
    • Linux Mint
    • KDE neon
    • Fedora
    • Asahi Linux
    • Bazzite
    • Nobara Linux
    • Rocky Linux
    • AlmaLinux
    • openSUSE

    Corporate (corporation-owned and/or controlled):

    • /e/OS
    • Sailfish OS
    • PureOS
    • Manjaro Linux
    • Raspberry Pi OS
    • OSMC
    • Kali Linux
    • Zorin OS
    • Tuxedo OS
    • Pop!_OS
    • elementary OS
    • Ubuntu
    • Proxmox
    • SteamOS
    • CentOS Stream
    • Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL)
    • CloudLinux OS
    • SUSE Linux Enterprise
    • Unraid

    Dubious (questionable and/or suspicious):

    • Waydroid
    • Artix Linux
    • Omarchy
    • OpenMandriva

    Borderline (possibly dangerous and best to avoid):

    • LineageOS

    MALWARE (actively dangerous and harmful to use):

    • android
    • chromeOS
    • Apple Operating Systems (macOS, iOS, etc.)
    • Windows
    • Red Star OS
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    [–] InfernoWarrior@piefed.social 1 points 49 minutes ago

    Nice. Although, many of these Linux OSes are complying with Identity Verification laws. So... that automatically docks points from them for me.

    [–] some_random_nick@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

    Why isn't CachyOS in the gaming bubble?

    [–] keiko@fedia.io 2 points 8 hours ago

    As I said in another comment:

    I did initially have CachyOS in the gaming group, but after looking a little closer, it appears to be a general-purpose distro optimized for performance, which happens to be useful for gaming. So it doesn't seem to be specifically made for gaming, which is why I pulled it out of that group but kept it right next to it (and next to the "popular" group, since it's one of the most popular distros).

    [–] Doom@discuss.online 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

    What sicko has sat down and tried every one of these OS???

    That said what's the spider one. I am an ignorant.

    [–] keiko@fedia.io 1 points 8 hours ago

    I haven't actually tried them all, not even most of them. The spider one is Slitaz. There's a spoilered list in the main post btw.

    [–] onlyhalfminotaur@lemmy.world 11 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

    God damn, Lemmy gets weirder and weirder every day

    [–] keiko@fedia.io 3 points 9 hours ago
    [–] FreddiesLantern@leminal.space 3 points 13 hours ago

    Have you visited any of the other platforms lately? Just sayin...

    [–] khanh@lemmy.zip 9 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

    what is wrong with LineageOS and eOS for it to be put in "borderline"? + why does LFS, Secure Fedora, Secure Android all have their own sections? you can just merge them (DIY Distros, Hardened, for one).

    [–] keiko@fedia.io 0 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

    LineageOS is not degoogled and will connect to google unless properly firewalled, which afaik cannot be done properly on-device. LineageOS is googled android, and google is a nefarious surveillance advertising corporation. So LineageOS is borderline malware in my eyes.

    ~~/e/OS is not in any of the gray rows that denote a failing grade. It is in the red "Corporate" row, because it is owned/controlled by a corporate entity, and it has a passing grade from me. I trust it for my parents and other "normal" people who need a phone that works without issues. MicroG is installed and enabled by default, but if it is disabled, then /e/OS becomes fully degoogled.~~

    Correction: /e/OS will be moved to the Dubious row for not being fully degoogled.

    However, as I said in another comment:

    android is under google's control and doesn't look like it will last indefinitely. I feel that android itself is a dead-end. Projects like GrapheneOS will have to do a hard fork away from android one day, or they will cease to exist as an option.

    Why does LFS have its own group? Honestly, it's mainly just so that the logo stands out better in the dark-mode version of this tier list. I also felt it made sense to single it out as special.

    Why are there groups for Secure Fedora and Secure Android? Since there are already groups for Red Hat distros (which includes Fedora) and Android, I thought it made sense to make it obvious that the secure fedora/android distros were part of those other groups, similar to my reasoning for making a Secure Debian group. Those distros being optimally secured grants them higher rank than all the rest of the distros from those groups. All the other distros stay where they are because I don't see them as different enough to rise in the list. The secured ones, I do see as having reason to rise, and so they are placed higher, but I want it to be obvious that they are in fact Debian/Fedora/Android at their core.

    [–] SpatchyIsOnline@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

    So I've done a bit of research on this and I don't think what you say here is the most accurate.

    LineageOS doesn't include any Google apps or services by default, nor does it include MicroG. (It does give an optional step to flash a GApps package in the official install guides, but this can be skipped no problem)

    LineageOS does use proprietary Google BLOBs for AGPS services and wifi captive portal detection, both of which are anonymised by the nature of the protocols used. But more importantly, /e/ OS also uses these too, so /e/ shouldn't be ranked any higher than LineageOS is

    [–] keiko@fedia.io 1 points 8 minutes ago

    LineageOS doesn't include any Google apps or services by default, nor does it include MicroG. (It does give an optional step to flash a GApps package in the official install guides, but this can be skipped no problem)

    On this point, I didn't suggest otherwise, and I don't disagree.

    LineageOS does use proprietary Google BLOBs for AGPS services and wifi captive portal detection, both of which are anonymised by the nature of the protocols used. But more importantly, /e/ OS also uses these too, so /e/ shouldn't be ranked any higher than LineageOS is

    Looking into this here and here, I see that you are correct that /e/OS still has not fully degoogled:

    A-GPS and SUPL servers

    βš™οΈ Under investigation with the /e/OS development team.

    How /e/OS deGoogle’s Android

    • Clean up of the source code by removing most Google server calls
    • Connectivity checks traditionally done against Google servers, replaced with our servers
    • Replace Google NTP servers for network time protocol
    • Removed default Google DNS and offers more choices for DNS settings
    • Replaced all default Google Apps by privacy-safe and feature-equivalent apps
    • Adds an anonymity layer to Google services that are difficult to live without such as push notifications and access to Play Store applications

    So you are correct that I should drop /e/OS down to the Dubious row for advertising itself as degoogled and yet not being fully degoogled. Idk how GrapheneOS can manage their own servers for properly degoogling while /e/OS fails to do so.

    Technically, disabling gps would effectively finalize the degoogling of /e/OS, as it currently exists. The questionable/suspicious aspect of this is that there isn't any documentation for how to finish the degoogling process that is accessibly presented to the user. I do find it annoying enough that clueless users won't know to disable MicroG in order to continue degoogling the phone, which is advertised as being already degoogled. Having to disable a useful feature like gps in order to finish the degoogling process is weird and bad and wrong to not inform the user in such a way that non-tech users understand.

    I still find LineageOS to be borderline malware for having captive portal connectivity checks which /e/OS has properly degoogled. Unless something has changed in the last few years, Waydroid (containerized LineageOS) attempts to make connections to google upon starting up, which does not seem to be the case for /e/OS.

    From another one of my comments in this thread:

    I had tried Waydroid on my linux phone, and the OpenSnitch firewall running in the host linux system flagged multiple google connections that Waydroid was attempting to make upon starting. Basic connectivity stuff, but googled nonetheless. I hadn't seen any disclaimers on their site about it, but I also hadn't seen anything about LineageOS advertising itself as degoogled in the first place. I view degoogled android as generally acceptable (though it's not for me), but googled android is unacceptable (in my view). So I placed Waydroid in the Dubious row to represent my unwillingness to recommend it.

    And if I remember correctly, those connections were attempted every time I started Waydroid, not just the first time.

    Well anyway, thanks for the info. Between this and the need to add CalyxOS into the list, I'll need a lot more time to move things around.

    ❀️

    [–] iopq@lemmy.world 0 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

    They are not as secure as grapheneos, and they don't really care

    [–] Jiral@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago

    Nor are most of the desktop Linux distros, compared to GrapheneOS, yet they are not downgraded for it.

    [–] mazzilius_marsti@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

    QuebeOS is cool. I tried it once and havent tried again.

    I get that it is secure, but i feel like i need to rewire how my brain works. E.g. you dont open a Download folder, instead you spawn a File manager quebe and open Thunar

    [–] keiko@fedia.io 1 points 8 hours ago

    It's definitely not for everyone, but it's very good at what it sets out to do and be, for those who want or need such a thing. It compliments my ocd nicely, especially the concept of disposable qubes. It's just perfect for me. The optimal security also gives me peace of mind, a calm mind. It's lovely. But yeah, I understand that it's not for everyone. It's cool that you tried it though. Most people don't even know it exists.

    [–] Crozekiel@lemmy.zip 21 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

    Why do people that make stuff like this not just label the logos?? Am I supposed to know the logo for every damn OS ever made? I appreciate you tried to solve this with a list that is just a big wall of text with no good way to connect back to the image, but it still sucks overall.

    [–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 7 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

    Thank you!

    Beyond 5 logos, this graph is useless to me

    [–] keiko@fedia.io 2 points 9 hours ago

    Serious reply: That's understandable. Fun reply: Imagine how useless the emoji version would be to you :p

    [–] keiko@fedia.io -1 points 9 hours ago

    One problem is that some of the distro names are so long that I'd either have to shrink the text for all names or do it selectively, neither of which feels good to me, so I opted to just not list the names in the image itself (at least not yet). Another thing is that it took so long to align all the other text in the image, and it would devour my time to try adding all of the distro names. Yet another thing, I'm pretty sure I'd have to shrink all of the logos in order to properly fit the distro names, and even slightly altering the size of any logo would mean that I'd have to spend a lot of time realligning them. Did I mention that I made this in a text editor?

    [–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 11 points 22 hours ago

    Hang on let me find my OS so I can figure out how much i respect you /s

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