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So basically, nuclear-armed planes and new warheads. That's good. It was almost all on the French before. I wonder if Canada could sign on to collaborate and host UK nukes.
The F-35 thing is questionable, but lots of non-US countries depend on them and manufacture the parts (and they're great planes). In the long run I wonder if a custom ROM for the things might be in the cards, in defiance of the current agreements.
Canada 100% needs nukes. I used to be against it but Trump's bullying has changed my opinion of that.
Proliferation is bad, though. If there's any chance we can host one of the existing nuclear powers like the UK we should. Failing that, it becomes a much more difficult debate.
Yeah, I agree
Looks like the arms race is ramping up.
Good to know Lockheed Martin has the same strangle hold on the UK as the US. You guys might want to fix that before Nigel or Boris make themselves king or supreme chancellor.
Considering how well the F35 did against Iran, I expect more F35 purchases from Europe going forward. I’m not aware of any European jets with comparable stealth and radar capabilities.
There's no equivalent jet in general. And for good reason - the requirements were insane and the development process was both massively slow and unfathomably expensive.
In the long run, you have to wonder if sensors will move to any number of alternatives to radar reflections, but word is that stealth is still pretty (war)game-breaking ATM.
It's just that the US has privileged access to all the software...
Didn't Israel lose one? And this further sinks you into a position of reliance on empire America. Like who are you going to fight with these? Iran?
OK I thought just the photos were AI. Looks like they've yet to loose one.
No, it was all over .ml that they had, but that was misinformation. It was telling that it was all Iranian-sounding news agencies that were being posted.
Unless Israel has giant pilots to go alongside their space lasers, none have been shot down, to my knowledge. I’ve seen footage of some of their unmanned drones being taken out, so you may be conflating the two?
Oh, and Europe is pretty much solely worried about Russia. They want systems that can suppress Russian air defenses. Iran operates (or at least, they used to) Russian air defense systems such as S-300 and Tor M1 that it appears the F35 has handily dealt with.
F35 are too expensive and if you buy american you dont support domestic weapon manufacturers
They have incredible value, actually. I'm not sure what cheaper system your thinking of, but none come anywhere close to it's general capabilities.
If you factor in the development process it might not be such a great deal. But, you're not at this point.
Sure, but those domestic manufacturers are going to need to work on developing actual stealth airframes if they want any business. That takes time that Europe isn’t currently comfortable with at the moment
Thats true, that right now eu doesn't have its own stealth fighter, but I dont think a few dozens of f35 is gonna make that much of a difference, I think we need more of cheaper planes that are easily replaceable
I think we need more of cheaper planes that are easily replaceable
Doesn’t Europe have a good number of airframes that fit that need? Rafales, Eurofighters, Gripens come to mind. F18’s too, but I recognize those aren’t domestic.
I look at these F35’s as a the current best solution for SEAD and air dominance roles in a potential conflict. Once that’s taken care of these other less capable platforms could play their part.
They just need to supports Trumps nobel peace prize and their journey to the dark side will be complete. Starmer will be allowed to come to the US and pick up the papers at Trumps feet every day from now on.
Uk shoudln't be allowed to harry jeta that can carry nukes. Israel should bomb the uk \s
It was a bit odd that they were going to use the B varient even for their land-based fleet.
I think the advantage there is they don't need a full airfield to operate from, but if the UK has lost all it's airfields, somebody's getting nuked.
Unless the US is the enemy and just disables the UK's fighters, stops maintenance and support, etc.
The F35 is a global product, with quite a few countries involved in manufacturing. I do think Europe and the UK could keep them flying without the US.
Hell, Iran kept their F14s going for many decades without US support.