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How would they found anybody who did not hate insurance companies? And now they a painting him like a good family and such when is wasn't even anything close.?

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[–] Malyca@lemmy.zip 2 points 10 hours ago

Double jeapordy

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 5 points 19 hours ago

They can't count on a jury that hates insurance companies. You would be surprised how many folks might be neutral on it, and jury selection can spend as much time as they want trying to find those people. Last time I might have served the lawyers dismiaaed essentially the entire jury twice over before accepting and that was over some anonymous little civil suit.

With respect to the family man angle, well there's not much to be done on that front by the defense. "He was a dick who had it coming" isn't a legal defense and even if attempted, people would probably think it is a bad look to try to smear the reputation of a dead man.

On the Internet circle jerks, a folk hero getting off seems really neat and with enough celebration seems even probable. Reality is not so.

Just wish it cut both ways, that health care executives be more accountable for lives lost due to their misbehaviors.

[–] hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.world 5 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Because afaik they charged him with false id, and the evidence looks really bad against him so it was sensible to not go through trial, take such a long time and then be convicted.

And on the murder charges his case is also not great. He wrote a manifesto, we saw camera footage of the shooting and him driving away, there's apparently evidence that he booked himself into a hotel in that city for exactly that time range, plus because of the public nature and the politicization of the care the state would likely pour a gigantic amount of money into his prosecution and there's nothing he can do about that.

And also just because doing a plea probably genuinely makes his sentence less severe. But that's a tactical decision and the exact mechanics will [not] be known, because that's something he only discusses with his lawyers, which is a good thing.

Edit: added a "not"

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

Maybe he has enough in the gofundme to buy a pardon from Trump.

[–] Archimedes@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The murder was a political statement. Getting away was never the intention.

[–] cattywampas@lemmy.world 4 points 15 hours ago

This is the rub right here. It's a bellwether of how society is going when people start shooting each other over these kinds of things, knowing that they'll likely be caught and punished.

Unpopular opinion but I'm not upset about a guilty verdict/plea. It's murder at the end of the day. But I'm also absolutely not upset about the victim. It kinda just is what it is morally for me.

[–] cattywampas@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

Jury selection for a trial like this is a very rigorous process. The prosecution and defense teams have to agree on jurors. They would do their best to find jurors who would rule on the facts of the case and not on the emotions surrounding it.

[–] CombatWombat@feddit.online 2 points 1 day ago

Manifestly, the prosecution did not have to offer a better plea bargain, as Mangione pled guilty without being offered any plea deal.

[–] kikutwo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Because the prosecution has dna, fingerprints, video, manifesto.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 2 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

The prosecution also has a non-contiguous chain of custody on the core pieces of physical evidence. And the video, to my eyes, and without hyperbole, does not show the individual they claim it does.

My hypothesis on the origin of this development is that the defense knew the DoJ is refusing to play by the rules, and that this was the least bad alternative in a legal tactical sense.

[–] kikutwo@lemmy.world -1 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Weak sauce. Pre-trial suppression rulings determined that the core physical evidence—including the 3D-printed firearm, suppressor, and handwritten notebook—was legally obtained during subsequent police station processing.