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This website made me reconsider if 99.9999% SLA and always online is really that important for lots of websites. I used to self-host my own server in my own apartment, but gave up on that after my internet provider had their first major outage that lasted almost a week. Also I didn't want to worry about the fire hazard, or the server going down when I was traveling etc.

But a solar powered server seems interesting, if the batteries could be made fire safe.

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[–] Fmstrat@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

My brother in efficiency, let me introduce you to https://wiki.slrpnk.net/articles:start

[–] flandish@lemmy.world 32 points 1 day ago (2 children)

doesn’t every website go down when there is no power? ;)

[–] Gibibit@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I think the point is to run on solar energy. Being blackout resistant is not an end goal.

Edit: Ohh you're talking about the post title lol

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Only if there is no power everywhere. Some run redundancies in multiple locations.

[–] Joelk111@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

So.... You're saying that if there's no power the website goes down.

[–] ATPA9@feddit.org 76 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

The uptime looks better than GitHubs...

[–] Gekkonen@sopuli.xyz 32 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I know this is a typo, but I'm sad Guthub isn't a food delivery company.

[–] drkt@scribe.disroot.org 32 points 2 days ago (1 children)

gut pull sandwich.com

gut commit -m "ate too much"
gut push

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[–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 103 points 2 days ago (10 children)

I have never been a fan of anything above 3 nines of uptime even in a business situation.

Your business will not collapse because of 10 min of downtime a week, and if it does that is not technologies fault.

I don't even bother to track my home setup.

[–] djdarren@piefed.social 93 points 2 days ago (5 children)

My home server is 100% up, because I never check it and that's how it works, right?

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 2 days ago

I didn't turn it down, so it's obviously up.

[–] hanke@feddit.nu 12 points 2 days ago

My home server is 100% up, because I run the checks from the same machine

[–] Koenig2005@feddit.org 19 points 2 days ago

Schrödingers home server

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[–] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@anarchist.nexus 24 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Your business will not collapse because of 10 min of downtime a week, and if it does that is not technologies fault.

Hospitals? Air traffic control? Power grid operators? Like these are exceptional businesses, but they're out there.

[–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 28 points 2 days ago

I agree, but the number of business that have actual need for extreme uptime is insignificant compared to the number of businesses that don't but think for some stupid reason they do.

[–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Many airports are closed at night.

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[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

My brother is an air traffic controller at one of the world's busiest international airports and I can assure your their system uptime is no where close to 3 9s.

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[–] iknewitwhenisawit@fedinsfw.app 9 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I found the GitHub employee! 😉

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[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 23 points 2 days ago

I used to work on the website for a utility company that insisted on ridiculous uptime. Our major deployments risked taking the system down for a few seconds, though in practice that never happened.

As a result, they made us do deployments starting at 3:00 in the morning since that was the least active time on the site. Fuuuuuuuuck that place.

[–] markstos@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

I host my personal site at home with a 15-min battery backup. After that, I accept the downtime. Rarely happens and I haven’t had a single complaint when it does.

[–] cloudshouter@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 day ago

Having everything open, on and available 24/7/365 sounds nice until you realize the human toll for things which aren’t that necessary and can be planned around. Down time is a good thing.

[–] HerbGrower@slrpnk.net 34 points 2 days ago (1 children)

100% uptime since the last time we turned it on!

[–] weps@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

works every time half of the time!

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[–] Stupidmanager@lemmy.world 51 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Companies claiming 99.9999 uptime is an absurd goal for a SLA, and wouldn’t even survive a small internet outage like a DDoS attack or Akamai outage. I remember in the 90s selling the idea of 5 9’s - 99.999% on my resume until some manager who Interviewed me asked me to state the expected downtime. I stopped claiming that number because it’s impossible without full active redundancy in different locations and not dependent on external providers like cloudflare ever going down.

And please don’t argue maintenance windows “cover it” because that’s not how they work in the real world today.

Downtime per year:

  • 99% ~3.65 days (5,256 min)
  • 99.9% ~8.77 hours (526 min)
  • 99.99% ~52.6 min
  • 99.999% ~5.26 min
  • 99.9999% ~31.5 seconds

For my home lab I’m happy my stuff is online and content I hardly lose access when there’s a power outage thanks to my ups. But if I tracked I’d be closer to 95%. Good enough but I can’t wait till I just don’t care to run anything.

[–] TIEPilot@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago

I worked for a "99.999%" up time facility. No one talks about the exceptions that don't effect that number. Some are out of our hands like weather or a knob w/ a backhoe.

Others are just made up by upper management to hit the numbers for their bonuses.

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[–] betanumerus@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 day ago (5 children)

"Hey look everyone! We never heard of grid scale batteries!"

[–] vividspecter@aussie.zone 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This website is like 10 years old from memory, well before grid-scale batteries were widespread (well they still aren't in many countries).

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[–] danielquinn@lemmy.ca 30 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

There's a nifty project on Mastodon where someone is running an instance entirely on solar (and I think a battery?). They've been tinkering with some of the code to do things like optimise images for reduced weight or CPU cost.

The project is called @solaradmin@solarcene.community and the account for the person running it is on a separate instance, presumably so people can message them about problems: @smallsolar@techhub.social.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago

1000004480

congrats guys! we killed it!

[–] eyekaytee@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

This was cool 5 years ago, now you can get solar panels and a home battery big enough to power this thing 24x7 without an issue, even if the sun was fully blacked out for a week

edit: a 40kwh battery would last with the power draw:

Power usage 2.62W

like over a year

[–] Gekkonen@sopuli.xyz 20 points 2 days ago

There's a lot of articles about supply based usage vs demand based energy production on that website. The idea that it turns off every now and then is sort of part of the authors' intention of showing "we can live with some outages".

This article in particular is a good one: https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/2017/09/how-not-to-run-a-modern-society-on-solar-and-wind-power-alone/

[–] morto@piefed.social 6 points 1 day ago

Now they can get better hardware, but should they? They take seriously the low tech part, and part of being low tech is fighting against consumerism culture and keeping with what they have, which is wotking fine

[–] son_of_darkness@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

I think you entirelly missed the point then

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[–] irmadlad@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Over a period of roughly one year (351 days, from 12 December 2018 to 28 November 2019) the server was up for 95.26% of the time. This means that we were offline for 399 hours (which corresponds to 16.64 days).

Not bad at all really, at least for non-mission critical sites. I have solar and I really like it. Solar power on two barns, and a lot of my security cams run on solar. I'm not sure if it's the formatting of this site, or the grainy pictures, but it oddly reminds me of the Trojan Room coffee pot.

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[–] Shimitar@downonthestreet.eu 24 points 2 days ago

Uptime for home users is useless. More important is recovery, reboot and resume (the 3'Rs)

You server should reboot automatically, storage should restore itself from unsafe shutdown and your services should resume operations like nothing happened.

This means test your reboot, ensure stuff doesn't break, and so on.

Failing storage after an hard reboot is the hardest.

For network, i have two ISP connections and a an auto switch script Incase one goes down. But honestly it's overkill and not needed for 99% of home hosters.

Buying some kind of UPS like a battery powered power strip is also nice but keep in mind that require maintenance to replace batteries once every few years (long enough to forget) and so be useless. The ups shall only last enough to perform a controlled server shutdown using NUTS.

[–] Bismyth@piefed.social 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This is actually great!
Social media sites should do this. There's never a good reason to be on [Insert Corporate Slop Social Media Website here] at 3AM.

[–] Zizzy@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Never a good reason, like different timezones, different working/sleeping hours. Theres no better or worse hour for every single person.

[–] Chaf@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 day ago

It's not like those major social media sites don't have some kind of data center (or rent one) in every "major" (population wise) timezone they operate in. Your other arguments still hold true, but I think even then it would be better for all of us if those websites went down every now and then.

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[–] xthexder@l.sw0.com 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's honestly impressive what you can do with under 3W of power these days

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[–] rako@tarte.nuage-libre.fr 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

garage is a software project made for communal home hosting. Tech literates will talk about its S3 API but that's the least interesting part: the most interesting is that it has been purposely built to be hosted on (actual) commodity hardware like second-hand nucs, running on flaky home power and internet and linked together through usual isps. Nodes may come up and down but the cluster withstands all of that.

Garage would be a pretty nice project to run a solar-powered mini-cluster. If sufficiently far from each other, you could even run without polluting batteries !

https://garagehq.deuxfleurs.fr/

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[–] Kirk@startrek.website 8 points 2 days ago

I love Low Tech magazine! I have been reading them for years.

[–] phil@openmic.social 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (6 children)

Interesting concept. I haven't seen lowtechmagazine before, going to have to definitely check it out.

I spin down our development environments when they have sit idle for a period of time, not at all the same but makes me think deeper about the entire concept.

Update: This is a really cool website. I see some fun projects here too that I could have my kids work on!

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[–] mapleseedfall@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

i love this website. The articles they wrote is always interesting

[–] lemuria@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The 1% of the time it's down, there's always the Internet Archive or reading your own downloaded copy.

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