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The Persistence of a Myth: Understanding and Debunking the “Nazi Ukraine” Narrative (www.lvivherald.com)

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[–] Ciderpunk@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Don’t let the tankies see this. It would ruin their ability to justify Russia’s invasion and they’d have to reckon with the fact that they can correctly identify Israel saying “everyone in Palestine is a Hamas” as bullshit but for some reason Russia saying “everyone in Ukraine is a Nazi” weirdly doesn’t register. It’s almost like genocide is fine as long as your team is doing it.

[–] witheyeandclaw@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'd like them to be wrong, but this article isn't very convincing.

[–] Ciderpunk@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What part of it isn’t convincing?

[–] witheyeandclaw@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The logic states that national nazi parties don't do well at the polls, and Zelenski has Jewish ancestry, therefore nazis are impossible and their existence in Ukraine is just a myth.

[–] Ciderpunk@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, except that’s not what the article says at all, which gives away the fact that you’re going in with a narrative that you refuse to be questioned on.

The article says that Nazis could very well exist, but they don’t have any significant power. Which you’d think invading an entire country to get at a handful of alleged Nazis might be a bit overkill, since there’s zero evidence that the entire country is just overrun with Nazis.

Again, they’re using the same argument Israel is: everyone in this territory is (insert code word for evil here) and we must be allowed to kill them. But you think it’s ok when Russia does that.

[–] witheyeandclaw@lemmy.sdf.org -2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

"Ukraine’s far-right political parties have consistently received minimal support at the ballot box. In the 2019 parliamentary elections, such groups collectively failed to reach even 3% of the vote. President Volodymyr Zelensky—himself of Jewish heritage, and whose grandfather fought in the Red Army against the Nazis during the Second World War—was elected by a landslide majority. These basic facts undermine the core premise of the “de-Nazification” narrative, which appears increasingly detached from Ukraine’s political and social reality."

That's exactly what it says, but it seems like you just want to argue. I knew responding to the internet was a mistake.

[–] Green_Mouse@piefed.social 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I knew responding to the internet was a mistake

If the fact that the far-right is not very popular in Ukraine, and Zelenskyy with the Servant of the People, who are not far-right, came to power, does not convince you that Ukraine is not a Nazi state, and you have nothing else to say, then perhaps you shouldn't have responded in the first place.

[–] witheyeandclaw@lemmy.sdf.org -4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I said that I want ukraine to not be a nazi country, not that I'm convinced it is. I'm sorry I spoke on the internet and never should have done that.

[–] Green_Mouse@piefed.social 6 points 1 day ago

I said that I want ukraine to not be a nazi country

That's not what you said, you said “I'd like them to be wrong, but this article isn't very convincing” which gives the impression that you think Ukraine is a Nazi state.

[–] Ciderpunk@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Again, it literally does not say that Nazis cannot exist because of those things, you're reading that into the text. That's a you problem. It very literally says less than 3% of the country voted for Nazis which is what you're claiming it doesn't say? It flat out admits there may be Nazis, but they do not have any power.

[–] witheyeandclaw@lemmy.sdf.org -3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I asked some questions about this slam dunk of an article, and you throw thing out there like "But you think it’s ok when Russia does that"

wat

[–] Green_Mouse@piefed.social 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I asked some questions

But you have literally asked nothing, I've looked through all your comments here, and I don't see any questions.

[–] witheyeandclaw@lemmy.sdf.org -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I made some comments, then? I intended to ask earnest questions in good faith to find out more about a situation, but got waylaid by some folks that assume I support Russian aggression and their flimsy pretense at invasion. You're technically right, which is the best kind I guess. Way to get to the meat of the issue here and point out that I never got to actually discuss it.

[–] Green_Mouse@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago

We probably jumped to a conclusion, sorry for that, though you had enough time to clarify everything, but you didn't, which made the misunderstanding worse.