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[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 22 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I would agree with the several comments on the engineering and design of the higher speed roads being able to handle increased limits, but I don't think the road or even most of the cars' ability to go that fast are the problem. It's the drivers. Raising the limits means people will go that much faster (the ones who are even bothering to stay close to it), and the risks will be higher and more deadly.

There is also the issue of fuel efficiency vs. speed and how little time is gained for a lot more gas used. Even with modern cars there's a limit of aerodynamics and how much more it takes to push air out of the way faster as you get higher in speed. Of course this pales compared to how many people I see idling in parking lots on their phone, and then complain about gas prices. There's a disconnect somewhere.

[–] bedwyr@piefed.ca 9 points 2 days ago (6 children)

During the Arab Oil Embargo they lowered speed limits on highways to 50 mph, which is the most economical speed to drive.

Windows up is more efficient also, as is fully inflated tires.

[–] jafffacakelemmy@mander.xyz 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

I tested my car as a hypermiler over thousands of miles on dead flat roads empty of other vehicles, my daily commute was 78miles. The most economical speed was 30mph in 5th gear with cruise control on. For most people that's not a practical speed for any kind of long journey,but I was getting over 100miles per uk gallon in the summer (hot weather helps with fuel economy, as does not having headlights or ac on). I got through so many audiobooks driving so slowly!

[–] sukhmel@programming.dev 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If you don't mind sharing, what car is that, and what year of manufacture?

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[–] Salvo@aussie.zone 7 points 2 days ago

Economy isn’t just about fuel economy. Less unsprung weight and highly inflated tyres reduce fuel consumption, but low profile tyres result in damaged wheel rims and lack of adhesion results in lack of control.

Alloy wheels with low profile tyres are lighter, but are also more prone to irreparable damage.

If you have the smallest steel rims that fit over your brakes (and the highest profile tyres to match manufacturer recommendations), you are less likely to have a puncture or damaged wheel, especially in potholed regions. (I live in Victoria, Australia).

If you have the correct tyres inflated to the correct pressures, they will last longer and provide the most optimal grip.

[–] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

which is the most economical speed to drive.

That is not universally accurate. Even at the time, there were vehicles that were more efficient at higher speeds than 55mph. But those weren't American designs, of course so they were of course ignored in favor of the general majority. And those vehicles that were more efficient at higher speeds, got screwed for simplicity.

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[–] unmagical@lemmy.ml 24 points 2 days ago (9 children)

I mean, going the speed of traffic is safer than not. So yeah, it's okay when everyone else is doing it.

[–] SarahValentine@pawb.social 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Also if the law enforcement in the area lets it happen, what message is that supposed to send to your average single-loop thinker?

[–] Salvo@aussie.zone 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Laws that aren’t enforced are Laws that can be enforced selectively.

[–] SarahValentine@pawb.social 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Right you are. It's part of the perennial conservative system of control: There's an in-group the law protects but doesn't bind, and an out-group the law binds but doesn't protect.

[–] jtrek@startrek.website 8 points 2 days ago

Right. Traffic enforcement that's "random" is fundamentally unjust. But conservatives like it because they can bully the out-groups, and some assholes like it because it brings money in via fines.

[–] LilB0kChoy@reddthat.com 14 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Let’s it happen? I regularly see the police where I live do the kinds of things they pull people over for; speeding, rolling stops, distracted driving, failure to signal etc.

Tough to maintain credibility when those charged with enforcement don’t follow the rules either.

[–] humblearrogant@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

You might even get an impeeding traffic ticket if you drive the speed limit

[–] SarahValentine@pawb.social 4 points 2 days ago

That's true where I live too, but the asshole drivers not in cop cars far outnumber the entire police force of my town. Every day I see someone run a red light, change lanes in front of someone without signaling, or do 35 in a 25 school zone. And they think that's okay not because they saw a cop do it too, but because they see all the people around them getting away with it. The cops either don't care or are too busy blowing their budget on nice gear to hire enough people to do the job.

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[–] oh_@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago (3 children)

It’s because it is never enforced anymore.

[–] queerlilhayseed@piefed.blahaj.zone 13 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It's worse than that. If everyone speeds all the time, cops have a valid reason to pull over and harass anyone they choose, on the pretext of speeding. You'll never guess what demographic gets a disproportionate amount of police attention despite not speeding (or committing other traffic violations) significantly more than average.

[–] Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 days ago

And of you're not speeding, it appears in the US they stop you for endangering others on the road

[–] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So they set up speed camera(that is not Flock or mass surveillance) and people yell about constitutional right.

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[–] ThatGuy46475@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago

Because roads are engineered to accommodate a certain speed limit then politicians artificially lower it so they can show how safety conscious they are. Then instead of admitting it was a stupid rule they blame everyone for breaking it just like they do with abstinence only education.

[–] Switorik@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 days ago (4 children)

It bothers me when people don't go the speed limit. Faster or slower, the speed limit is to set a consistent speed. Consistent means predictable which results in safer conditions. This would result in less traffic and less fuel consumption.

However, following the flow of traffic is safer than trying to go the speed limit. If you're the one person going 20 units per hour slower than everyone, you are the hazard.

[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

That's not what the speed limit is for though. It's the maximum safe speed not the speed you should always move at

[–] VibeSurgeon@piefed.social 9 points 2 days ago (8 children)

However, following the flow of traffic is safer than trying to go the speed limit. If you're the one person going 20 units per hour slower than everyone, you are the hazard.

If people are intent on breaking the law, I will accommodate them passing me safely.

I will not be breaking the law to accommodate someone else's desire to do so, to consider that to be an expectation is downright delusional

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[–] bedwyr@piefed.ca 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah but am I going to put myself at risk of a ticket, points on the license and higher insurance rates, and attention from the police, (the less interaction the better,) because others speeding is making it dangerous?

Sometimes. Most of the time, I follow the law. Almost all of it. Only in passing really do I speed on purpose even a bit. I would for safety if it was needed, but I am not going to put myself in danger of being pulled over because people that are less likely to get hassled by the cops are mildly inconvenienced by someone going the speed their lawmakers all agree on.

[–] Switorik@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

In an ideal world, I agree 100%. Most of the time I can set my cruise to the speed limit and let the reckless people pass.

[–] bss03@infosec.pub 1 points 1 day ago

That's my preference. Just set CC to speed limit, and let the regenerative braking handle any downhill sections.

But, in traffic that can be unsafe. Still I try to keep myself to the speed limit and check my speedometer frequently so I don't speed even if it "feels safe".

I do find that I'm one of the faster drivers in the rain tho. Maybe I'm trusting my car too much, but it seems like the rain affects other drivers' feelings of safety / speed more than mine.

[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 1 points 1 day ago

You're supposed to go below the speed limit. It's a limit.

[–] savvie@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 days ago

many of the speeders could well be cops who don’t feel like enforcing traffic laws &, well, prefer to speed themselves

[–] farmgineer@nord.pub 5 points 2 days ago

You can add rural Japanese drivers to that. "Customary" is about 10kph over with some going 19 just to stay safely under one of the higher penalty tiers. I don't just mean on the expressways, I mean on rural roads marked 30-50.

[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Often it occurs because the speed is poorly done. Engineers will come out and review road shape, surrounds, etc. and agree to new limits if it's clear drivers are, on average, using the road at the speed anyway.

But that's a big difference from a culture of people just speeding everywhere.

Honestly, even if you raise limits, people will raise them further

[–] bedwyr@piefed.ca 4 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I don't. I go the speed limit to the best of my ability. I only speed by accident and when safety suggests I need to follow traffic.

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