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As it stands today, unmanned vehicles (entirely operated by AI with no human intervention) still has shortcomings from accidents or collisions. Also, how would society react to AI being the driver? If there’s no steering wheel on an entirely AI operated car: how can you override its protocols when it becomes rogue? There are “self driving” cars, but how many use that as their main mode of transportation than driving a car?

The technology for it exists, but remains rather niche since there’s still more cars driven by people than cars operated by AI. Do YOU want to replace your own car with an AI operated one or rather keep one meant to be used by humans? As of now, it’s rather rare unless you happened to spot one whilst on the road. Most car dealerships only sell “normal” cars intended for humans, even Teslas still require a human driver.

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[–] yessikg@fedia.io 8 points 7 hours ago
[–] farmgineer@nord.pub 1 points 6 hours ago

I've never been in anything self-driving, and I'm not sure the tech is fully there. I do expect a future where various vehicles and such are all communicating with each other and able to move more efficiently, but I still think we should reduce the number of single-occupancy boxes on the road.

I'd rather take public transit as my first choice in any case.

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 7 points 10 hours ago

I prefer public transit

[–] modernangel@sh.itjust.works 34 points 17 hours ago (4 children)

less of both; more mass transit

[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 3 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

driverless train/bus or human piloted?

[–] ImgurRefugee114@reddthat.com 5 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Driverless, which mass transit is actually a better fit for our technology anyways, especially at its current level. However, we as a species seem to be very intent on doing the wrong thing at every point possible.

[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I don’t oppose automation of many of the piloting tasks, but I’d say it’s great to have a human there, too.

[–] ImgurRefugee114@reddthat.com 3 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

That's understandable, and it really depends on the environment. A street car would benefit from a human driver a lot more than a subway or peoplemover would (which is why so many are automated already)

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[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I hate self driving cars for 2 reasons:

1, they don't work well. They're out there causing accidents.

2, who is in command? Who do we jail when it kills someone?

Well clearly the coorporation for shipping faulty/incomplete softw... Huh what's this green stack of paper?

Sorry, I lost my train of thought. What were we talking about?

[–] h0tbeef@lemmy.zip 19 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

I’m a good driver, and AI is fucking stupid.

The only way you could possibly convince me to even get into a self driving car would be if my only other option was to get into a self flying helicopter.

Also, just to nitpick, the self driving car can’t “go rogue”, that would imply that it has consciousness, sentience, an understanding of what it’s actually doing, judgement, etc. a bunch of shit it doesn’t have. Self driving cars can and do “malfunction” frequently, but they can’t “go rogue”.

Don’t let the techno fascists’ constant anthropomorphic descriptions of their fuckware chat bots confuse you.

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[–] RodgeGrabTheCat@sh.itjust.works 18 points 18 hours ago

Considering the driverless car doesn't yet exist, I'll go with human operated.

Modern day AI models? Nononononononono

[–] Pat_Riot@lemmy.today 14 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

I think automatic transmissions were a mistake. There'd be a lot less shit drivers if you had to pass the driving test with a manual.

[–] lath@piefed.social 8 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I passed the driving test with a manual. You do not want me on the road.

[–] jobbies@lemmy.zip 4 points 13 hours ago

Same. I'm a menace to society when behind the wheel.

But if I ever went to US (god forbid) I can pretend I'm all cool and be like 'I can drive stick'. Which we all know means 'I'm good at sex'.

[–] measureyoucanpleasure@piefed.social 3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

i recommend visiting the balkans, your belief may get challenged

[–] Pat_Riot@lemmy.today 1 points 3 hours ago

All manuals, no drivers?

[–] Polisheocket@lemmy.zip 4 points 16 hours ago

You sure about that?

[–] ViatorOmnium@piefed.social 10 points 17 hours ago (4 children)

By the time you solve all the issues with self driving cars you'll always end up with some form of train. So I would suggest skipping the extra steps.

[–] wedge@multiverse.soulism.net 3 points 14 hours ago

This is the real take. The problem with traffic is that it’s elastic and based on a lack of information. If all vehicles accelerate at the same time and don’t have to slowly increase the distance between the next vehicle due to safety / uncertainty - you get a train.

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[–] Meatwagon@piefed.blahaj.zone 4 points 14 hours ago

I have intense driving anxiety and only drive around my area willingly, so self-driving cars (or just more trains) would help me a lot.

[–] NoTagBacks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Less cars, less parking, less roads, less sprawling cities.

Trains, pls.

[–] cRazi_man@europe.pub 2 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

What do you think of e-scooters?

[–] yessikg@fedia.io 1 points 7 hours ago

I support all types of micromobility but personally I prefer eSkate

I wasn't asked but I have a very passionate opinion on them. So if you'll allow:

spoilerThe way they're utilized in Germany fucking sucks. It was advertised as a "last leg of the road" kinda vehicle. And where are they overproporionatly available? In cities.

Where do you have good infrastructure and public transport? In. Fucking. Cities.

Meanwhile people who really really need a way to get around in rural areas remain to be dependent largely on cars. There usually are busses driving to villages, but only few a day.

They use resources such as batteries that I'd rather have used for other e-vehicles. In the beginnig they caused new low pay/exploitative jobs: juicers, i.e. the people who collected the scooters and recharchged them at their home.

And lastly the users. Thet zip through pedestrian zones at ridiculous speeds, drive on busy streets, park them in the middle of the walkway or throw them into nature.

I hate them and they have shown very little upsides imo.

The only thing I can think of was my buddy getting home after we hung out faster at night.

[–] Corporal_Punishment@feddit.uk 8 points 17 hours ago

Until EVERY vehicle is self-driving then no, I'll drive myself

[–] wedge@multiverse.soulism.net 3 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

There are zero human transportable vehicles driven by AI today. The current breed of driverless cars are based completely on Machine Learning - a deterministic technology as opposed to an LLM which is non-deterministic based on noise and randomness.

I’m absolutely certain all of the idiot takes will be corrected 🙄

[–] moonlight@fedia.io 0 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

This isn't really accurate - "AI" is a somewhat meaningless term that just means machine learning, basically. Also LLMs are deterministic, but usually use a 'temperature' setting to add randomness. And any self-driving system is probably enough of a chaotic system so that sensor noise is enough to make it non-deterministic.

That being said, I don't think LLMs belong anywhere near a car.

[–] wedge@multiverse.soulism.net 1 points 5 hours ago

The University of YouTube Shorts proudly presents the Dunning-Kruger Effect

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 5 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

even Teslas still require a human driver.

That's because musk is a moron who made Tesla ditch LIDAR for optical sensors.

Waymo taxis are fully autonomous and are already safer than humans.

Humans are absolutely horrible at driving. It's a major cause of death. Computers don't get tired, distracted, or intoxicated.

[–] MBech@feddit.dk 4 points 16 hours ago

Or angry for no apparent reason.

[–] jobbies@lemmy.zip 1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

There is no amount of money that could persuade me to be transported by one of musks deathmobiles.

[–] Danika7@lemmy.world 4 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

The more skills people acquire and use throughout their lives, the better. I prefer people behind the wheels of cars. Some automated commuter trains already exist, and that's cool, but driving is a skill that should be kept by the masses.

[–] GreyEyedGhost@piefed.ca 2 points 14 hours ago

I can appreciate useful skills, like how to make rope or make a meal or change a diaper, but being able to drive is only useful because we have made it necessary. I'd rather people have time to learn skills that have some inherent use than have to waste time learning how to drive.

[–] Reality_Suit@lemmy.world 5 points 18 hours ago

Whatever can move the most people the safest and the fastest. Would love some great mass transit.

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 2 points 14 hours ago

I don't trust the currently available autonomous cars any more than I trust other drivers so I prefer to drive myself. Even if it was perfecr I would want the ability to take over whenever I wanred to address some scenarios where I don't think autonomous would ever be reliable enough in rural areas. If it was good enoigh I would be fine with it on well marked highways or well maintained urban areas, though I'd rsther use mass transit in those situstions.

Quite a few other drivers should be replaced with autonomous driving as soon as possible.

[–] jobbies@lemmy.zip 1 points 13 hours ago

We don't have driverless cars here but that doesn't matter. No way would I get in one.

[–] chocrates@piefed.world 2 points 16 hours ago

Humans are bad at driving our multiton death machines. We have slow reaction times, we get distracted, other humans don't react logically, a true self driving system would be amazing.

Sadly none of the players on the market seem to actually do self driving good at all.

Probably we will crack fusion before we have true self driving.

[–] the_q@piefed.social 2 points 16 hours ago

Neither. People are dangerous, selfish idiots and robots are created by dangerous, selfish idiots.

[–] BananaTrifleViolin@piefed.world 1 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

The concept of a driverless car is good, the reality is not. The technology isn't there yet, despite all the money and resources being pumped in to it.

Driverless cars were THE big thing a few years ago, and all the big companies were putting money into it and hyping it. Tesla's value was predicated on it being big in driverless cars. Now a few years down the line, everyone has gone quiet on driverless cars and AI is THE big thing. It all just seems like examples of tech stock market hype. We don't have driverless cars, and it remains to be seen when they will be fit for purpose. We don't have AI, and it remains to be seen when that will be fir for purpose.

I don't doubt it will come, but it feels it's still "a few years off". The industry likes to talk about "regulatory hurdles" but the reality is it's too unsafe and unreliable to be deployed. So instead the tech industry is deploying something else unsafe and unreliable, but also unregulated: AI.

[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago

Neither but no driverless cars is the preference.

[–] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 1 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Do YOU want to replace your own car with an AI operated one

Of course not.

The current question is elsewhere: whether to replace taxi services by driverless cars? And that is hard enough, still not possible for these so-called AI thingys.

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