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[–] TabularTuxedo@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Have you ever played Dwarf Fortress? I always thought about whether it's possible to implement the Labor Theory of Value in it.

The game itself is pretty much a Communism simulator, but a fortress can't really act or develop without player input. Maybe there could be some system to reward dwarves based on their labor, and some system of administrators to allocate stuff in the fortress when the player decides to retire it (retirement means the game starts to take care of the fortress alone and the player might choose to visit it as an adventurer)

There used to be an economy in DF, but it was a glitchy mess where some dwarves hoarded coins, then employers couldn't pay employees due to lack of coins, then dwarves couldn't afford a house due to homeless, and then the fortress just came to a screeching halt.

Of course, I don't really know how this would make the game more fun than it already is, but it's just a thought.

[–] Marat@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I have.

It is basically communism simulator broadly. The only problem is the existence of nobles and one other thing.

But besides the nobles, who are more the government than actual land/property owners (as they themselves don't receive income or value from the workers*), everything is to each according to their need, from each according to their ability. There's no currency and dwarves can basically hop between professions at will/at need.

The other problem is that it's kinda a top down system. A dwarf will generally not complain about a task besides combat, and will also know their assignment and all tasks that need doing [you only need 1 manager to manage 200+ people's work orders]. Also, if everyone is unhappy they usually get into brawls and shout at authority figures rather than staging a rebellion or something [insert joke here].

*for nobles, they do have demands that can probably constitute exploitation of a form, since they will have very nice rooms, offices, dining rooms, etc. My queen of my most recent fortress had an entire pyramid made of iron and statues made of platinum and a whole vault of artifacts secured by very brave but also very dead miners who took them from the obsidian pillars.

It is cool though, I appreciate they haven't felt the need to re-add the economy at some point just because lots of other games do.

[–] TabularTuxedo@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I agree with your analysis on nobles. My headcanon is that the player acts like the collective will of the fortress, so the top-down system is mostly an interface instead of a fact of the world. For example, you can have a fortress with literally only one dwarf.

Like, there's a lot of things that are cut for the sake of gameplay. There is no waste management for example, since nobody would want to manage dwarf poop. Likewise, I think that behind the scenes there must be voting, dwarf "soviets" etc. But it's not shown since it would take away player agency and it would be really hard to code.

So, I like to imagine that for whatever reason your dwarves decided and voted to build a pyramid made out of solid iron no matter the cost lol.

[–] TabularTuxedo@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Is Netanyahu still alive? If so, day ruined.

[–] Commiejones@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Head of the IRGC made a promise and I am holding him to it.

[–] TabularTuxedo@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 week ago
[–] muhg@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 week ago

Waiting for that testicular cancer to come back.

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[–] 3scene@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Sitting down with a coffee and making myself at home. With a dozen books in different states of being read, I wonder what to start/continue. I also need to learn from my books and not just regurgitate what I remember.

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