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I’m not afraid of the batteries. My parents’ original Prius made it to 150,000 miles on the original pack before it was totaled in an accident.
I’m worried about all the electric gimmicks in the cabin breaking, and the cameras recording me and everyone else and selling the data, and getting into an accident because I had to swipe through five screens to adjust the temperature.
That's not just electric cars, thats just included as fascism grows.
It's actually just cheaper to build a screen then all the knobs. It makes economic sense for the company bottom line
This is why i only buy used old cars. Until we have cars without spyware I'll never go electric.
Laws required:
Why can't we have nice things? (Billionaires is why). Imagine how much our lives would improve from these laws.
zero cameras on or in cars
Backup cameras are really nice actually, especially if they have that little grid showing you where the car is going to turn into.
I'll consent to a backup camera. I have never had one and never needed one but I can see the appeal. I'd advocate for extra convex mirrors on side mirrors too, they are awesome, like the 2014 fiestas have!
backup cams are required on new cars in some jurisdictions, including u.s., canada, european union..
I could also see that being a sinister move to normalize cameras in cars. As usual "safety!!!" Is the death knell of privacy.
Interesting that you guys call them backup cameras - makes it sound like it’s a redundant camera to be used when one fails - as we call them reversing cameras here in Aus.
I’ve always been one to use my mirrors when reversing and saw no need for the reversing camera but then I bought a new car and it definitely does help in certain situations. More than anything, it’ll help me detect a child behind the car better if that ever happens. I still mostly use my mirrors but it’s handy to have the video there to refer to if needed.
I've had one for six years... Still forget it's there unless I'm backing into a really tight spot and happen to notice the screen when I'm looking side to side at the mirrors.
I was like you a few months ago, and then I started digging. This is an excellent time to get your hands on really good value 2nd hand EVs.
Some of the early Tesla competitors came out with EVs that were essentially ICE platforms with physical buttons and no spyware and way better build quality and without the FSD AI garbage that caused more accidents than if humans had been driving.
And there are new brands that are hearing the anti-screen sentiment and bringing out new models with physical buttons too. Now that solar is plateauing, EVs will become ubiquitous and charging networks are the next rapid expansion of the electrify everything.
Re your laws: I believe the EU just passed a law that all new cars now need to have cameras for driver attention monitoring. I think this comes from the insurance lobby.
For sure. The volt was a sweet idea IMO and simpler than people think.
Yeah, that camera thing is bullshit. I'd be ripping those out or taping over them instantly. I think insurance company ceos should have a camera shoved up their ass so we can see what they had for dinner. Only fair. Maybe an IMAX camera so its ultra HD.
The only electric vehicle I’m interested in is the Slate truck because it doesn’t have any of those things.
Right there with you my human. If only the range didn't suck (I live in big country) and it was 4WD!!maybe there will be community mods who knows.
I've heard there are 4WD ideas for the future, either an add on or future model
Yeah, 4WD would be great. I’m also hoping they make other types of cars. A simple electric roadster with RWD would be awesome, as would a small, simple electric hatchback.
Oo ya a cool hatch would be sweet. Something in the form of a Renault 5 turbo style and I will buy it on the spot.
Right! I'd go for an electric with none of those gimmicks (and non of all those mainenance-heavy ICE attachments) ... just an 80s-style cushy car with battery, radio & music player ... in a minute.
I mostly agree but there are two things I really want a car to have: adaptive cruise control and air conditioning pumped through the seats. And the thing is that everyone probably has two tech things they can’t live without, and everyone’s two things are different.
Yeah, we're at 110k miles on our original batteries (standard hybrid) and not seeing a significant drop in mileage yet. The dude at the dealership kept trying to convince me that the batteries would go bad every 40k and it'd be 8 large at least for a new battery. I wouldn't have bought new if I could have gotten that one damn feature I wanted used, and that damn safety feature has literally kept us out of accidents.
I still can't eat my lunch in the back seat in a parking lot without getting hit by a car though. Fucking wreck magnet I am.
Why does this title make it sound like they are upset?
This sounds better to me: EV batteries are lasting longer than many drivers expected.
Feared? This is good news wTF is with the "feared"?
Phrasing sucks. I think it means "consumers refuse to buy second-hand EVs because they fear that batteries would lose a shitton of capacity. Turns out, they're fine. The batteries, we mean."
Which is both good news (yay for good capacity on second-hand cars) and bad news (because EVs depreciate super fast and I'm counting on it to afford one, and may not depreciate as much anymore).
I think the manufacturers and car salesmen fear it. Not the consumers.
It's one of the often cited fears amongst consumers who are already skeptical about EVs. Range and charging times are the other two.
Why is distance travelled being used as a metric for batteries? Shouldn't it be charge cycles like phones have been using forever?
Why do we buy ICE cars based on distance driven and not total engine revolutions?
Because both are dumb and distance is a reasonable proxy for usage level. Almost regardless of the specific kwh/km efficiency, an EV that has driven distance X has had Y cycles within a range of values that aren't different enough to matter.
Because nobody is recording charge cycles and also from average efficiency data you can extrapolate estimated charge cycles close enough
i've been eyeing for an ev car to replace my current ice for couple years now. sure you can charge ev relatively easy these days IF youre living in a city. I dont live in an advanced country, and i like to road trip to remote places. when i look into the charging infrastructure in those remote places i'd be stranded and my car would be useless. currently im still not willing to give up one of my escapades even if i only do it once or twice a year and no matter how much gas fuel i'd save im still not willing to dive into an ev right now. maybe when solid state become a thing but until then alas.. currently im in no mood for betting whichever come first, the infrastructure of the tech
I'm really happy with current li-ions, I was working with >400wh/kg 18650s like 10 years ago. But I'm still waiting for the next jump in storage tech. It'd be awesome to be solid state, and push 1kWh/kg. Its possible and going to happen, I just wish all this money being funneled into batteries was still going to R&D like we were doing with that "impossible" 400wh/kg goal that has now just become available to anyone who had the connections and cash.
Now can they make one that doesnt look like shit
paywalled, just wanted to see the context around claiming battery longevity was something to be afraid of 🤨
Why does the car media ignore the known issues of control module and motor failures?
A Tesla battery might last 200K, the rest of the car is shit.
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-musk-steering-suspension/
Because EV batteris sucking is a culture war topic, whereas cars in general sucking is an indiction of capital and therefore off limits.
What a title. Well, my EV has over 170,000 miles on it. I'm never going back to a ice car.
150k km isn't that much, is it?
93205.68 miles, so still up there but under what I had in my first car by the time I traded it in for $300.