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Doubling down on his trade wars, Trump is threatening to raise taxes on many goods from Canada, hike his universal tariff on imports from around the world and punish Brazil for prosecuting his friend, the country’s former president.

On Saturday, Trump announced more tariffs still, this time on two of the United States’ biggest trade partners: the European Union and Mexico, at 30% each.

Former U.S. trade negotiator Wendy Cutler said that Trump’s recent moves “underscore the growing unpredictability, incoherence and assertiveness’’ of his trade policies. “It’s hard for trading partners to know where they stand with Trump on any given day and what more may be coming their way when least expected,’’ said Cutler, now vice president at the Asia Society Policy Institute.

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[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 hour ago

It seems he's learned that the problem with tariffs is that other countries will tariff back.

So now his current strategy is to levy tariffs and threaten countries with more tariffs if they reciprocate.

Same has it's always been, maybe he'll TACO or maybe he'll crash the world economy.

Meanwhile in Canada, it's become easier to identify products from the US because stores have to put them on discount to try to entice people to buy them. Stores aren't making money by selling US products at a discount so every time I go to the grocery store, there's new products made in Canada (or at least non-US countries) replacing the US products.

Happy to report I can now get a head of iceberg lettuce from Quebec in both grocery stores I go to, seems all of our lettuce came from the US before. I had to get crazy expensive hydroponically grown lettuce (or some weird black lettuce) for months. But now I can get iceberg lettuce ("normal" lettuce to me) produced in Canada. It was weird for a bit with some products, but it's becoming more and more easier and normal to avoid US products. Merci to Quebec for growing lettuce! Hopefully the stores will source lettuce from the EU in the winter.

Not sure how Trump is solving the trade deficit "problem" with this though. Are Americans in the the Midwest buying less oil from Canada (which is THE cause of the trade deficit)? Gonna have to spend a lot of money building pipelines to get oil from the "Gulf of America" and refitting refineries to process that oil. Or God forbid, do a Green New Deal in the Midwest. Otherwise you'd be selling less oil overseas, which would impact trade balance with other countries. But then Canada would sell to those countries instead. But go ahead, fill your boots, I'm good with oil companies having to pay a lot of money refitting refineries as that will just be another version (though less efficient) of a carbon tax.

Canadians are buying less products from the US and it seems unlikely the US is going to buy less oil from Canada any time soon, so it seems Trump's efforts are just increasing the trade deficit. Carney could put reciprocal tariffs on the US or not, either way Canadians are going to be buying less and less from the US going forward.

Trump is fucking over Americans more than anyone else.

[–] hansolo@sh.itjust.works 11 points 12 hours ago

Policies? What policies? What negotiation? It's haphazard short attention span theater that American taxpayers ultimately pay for.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 18 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

It’s because he’s an imbecile pedophile with dementia. Let me break it down for you he wants a bribe or a child to rape.

[–] aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 13 hours ago

dementia donvict.

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 63 points 19 hours ago

Seems to me that it’s time for other nations to make the best of the prisoner’s dilemma and drop tariffs with each other while sanctioning the US. After all, the US at this point has broken almost all its treaties and trade agreements. There’s no reason for the rest of the world to honour what no longer exists.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 11 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

its trrying to distract the media from THE EPSTEIN files.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 hour ago

Nah the tariff stuff started many news cycles ago. Trump just really believes tariffs work.

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 8 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

It's impossible to negotiate with these guys, because they have no clear demands. They just want what "looks" like as much as they can get away with...

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 26 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

These countries need to walk away from the table until someone stable can take over negotiations. Why would anyone sign a trade deal with someone, knowing they are never going to honor the conditions they just agreed to? By next week, Trump will have completely forgotten that he signed anything...so why bother?

[–] msage@programming.dev -3 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Why would anyone sign a trade deal

because of money, there's no other explanation needed. No other country consumes as much as the US, and you need them to keep buying your exports.

If that isn't enough for you, the Europe relies Heavily on the US for its defense. Every country has a military base, only France (can't remember who else) has nukes, so if you want to not be invaded, you kinda have to bend a knee.

What is crazy is that it has been like this for decades, while Europe let itself be dominated by the special interests, and now it cannot unify against the hand that used to feed and protect it.

And Russia has been arming like crazy, hoping to gobble anything it can.

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Lol! Ok. Would you buy something you don't even need, from a supplier that is going to change the price on you every other day, just to try and fuck you over?

Nothing you said, makes up for the fact that Trump is an unreliable trade partner. In fact, all of the factors you mentioned make for very good reasons to find other supply connections. If those things are that important, then dealing with Trump is the stupidest way to try and guarantee steady business.

[–] decipher_jeanne@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

The UK has nukes. Tho it's not entirely sovereign as their ballistic submarines use American Trident II missiles. Which are on lease and maintained in the US. Still independent launch, just not long term.

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/heres-how-britains-nukes-are-operationally-independent/

Also they want to purchase F-35A to drop nuclear bombs but that would be Americans B61 and not even on lease. just straight up only work if the US wants to. Also the F-35A can't be refueled by existing UK tanker aircraft because American jet use boom refueling while everyone else use drogue refueling.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c335406gxdvo

[–] kebab@endlesstalk.org 2 points 9 hours ago

UK is probably the biggest supporter of the US in Europe (along with Poland) and is not a part of the EU, hence not affected by the tariffs mentioned by the OP

[–] msage@programming.dev 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Thank you for sources.

I wonder why I'm getting downvotes, though.

[–] dickalan@lemmy.world -1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I voted you down just now because I despise Internet strangers who complain about Internet points

[–] msage@programming.dev 1 points 9 hours ago

Could not give a fuck about points, but if I'm not correct, please explain why.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 34 points 20 hours ago

Stop negotiating and play hardball. Thank you, where's my 6 digit salary?

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago

There are trade negotiations actively running between US an EU, and Trump simply ignored it when he rolled the dice for new Harrods.

[–] KMAMURI@lemmy.world 6 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

As a Canadian I think we shouldn't even be entertaining the thought of trade with the regime (yes I know how difficult that would be and realistically it's not immediately possible. That doesn't mean we shouldn't be working toward it) Unfortunately we have a conservative banker in liberal colors as PM and that's never going to happen.

Edit: and the same type of brain rot citizenry raised on American exceptionalism who will argue that our PM has our best interests in mind. That they believe he's smarter than the average bear and we couldn't ever comprehend his tactics because we are just dumb pleebs.

[–] kmartburrito@lemmy.world 11 points 18 hours ago

Trump consistently plays the game "heads I win, tails you lose"

So, no shit Sherlock...

[–] notsure@fedia.io 13 points 19 hours ago

...when was the last time you negotiated with a shitgibbbon...

[–] Sabin10@lemmy.world 8 points 18 hours ago

If the current trade agreements with Canada, Mexico and Japan are so terrible then whoever it was that signed them is probably unfit to try negotiating new ones. Oh wait, that was also Donald Trump.

[–] womjunru@lemmy.cafe 9 points 19 hours ago

They should just cut off trade entirely.

[–] catty@lemmy.world 0 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

I'm about to write something that I, with no international politics nor trade education but plenty of opinions shaped by social media, thinks world leaders should take note of.