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Now they can burn through more of the expensive diesel than before!
I truly believe self-driving for trucks on freeways would be a net society gain to get rid of this nonsense. Truckers should just pickup shipments at hubs for local delivery where their expertise delivers more value.
If you could make self driving reliable you’d have a good point. Currently that tech isn’t good enough, and may never be.
The problem is that ground travel is uncontrolled space, and there is very little room for error.
Highway driving is the easiest to get right though. There are plenty of cars out there already that can handle the highway autonomously just fine.
That's why I'm focusing on highway travel: it's the more controlled environment. The fact that car companies are offering hands-free highway driving is evidence of that. Local roads are a much more complex problem, and that's where a human driver is much more capable.
and may never be.
Yes, if we destroy ourselves some other way before we get there. Otherwise it's absolutely going to be.
Never is a forecast of infinity. That's a really long time.
I do believe that’s what that “may” is there for. Short for maybe, it gives them an out if (and it’s a rather large if) they actually manage to make cars that drive themselves.
I've often wondered why every new passenger vehicle sold in the US over the past decade or so has sensors that let you know if there's something in your blind spot, but semis are not using this technology even though they have much larger blind spots. I would think you'd see trucks adopting this other safety equipment before they go full self-driving.
First, trucks have longer breaking distances which a lot of sensors aren't designed for. Second, many trucks carry trailers which are provided by others, so sensors are likely not going to be attached.
Right, but the sensors can be designed for semis, and the trailers should have the sensors just like they have brake lights.
I just said that the sensors don't have the range, which means they can't be.
There also isn't a standard sensor layout.
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Those blind spot sensors are mounted in the back of the vehicle. That doesn’t work for towed trailers. You would have to use a different sensor technology than the current cheap/simple/reliable sonar sensors.
We don't need self-driving trucks for this. This is already how intermodal shipping works: a driver picks up a container and takes it to a rail yard, it gets loaded onto a train, and then when it gets near enough to where it's going, another driver takes it from the rail yard for final delivery.
The reasons for not doing intermodal are the same as not being able to do self-driving trucks: oversize loads, document-controlled shipments (haz-mats, for example), and mixed deliveries along a route. Almost everything else could be put on a train, but it would take some infrastructure upgrades and likely unattainable levels of cooperation from shippers.
Hell even the delivery along routes issue is one that can and has been solved in the past. The railway post office sorted mail en route for by postal clerks and existed as late as the 1970s, because Nixon was from SoCal and we really like our trains. While it may not be fully applicable it could still work for smaller liquid sort items, as for larger carriage specific ones I'm aware of at least one railyard that used to have those ones unlatched and moved as needed within a 5 minute period not accounting for stopping.
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Oh cool. The increase in entry drivers on the road over the last year wasn't enough...
I wonder if a bunch of truckers are going to buy a truck newer than 1993 now.
Currently allowed to drive for 11, shift can be up to 14 hours. Im curious what the drive time will be. As is is maximum safe level. Especially as the baseline. I think there should be outlier drivers allowed to drive more than 11, but not every driver. (OTR low population density, i.e. North dakota/Montana routes)
Any truckers in here want to share their thoughts? Is the extra 2 hours of drive time before being forced to stop a benefit for your routes and timetables? Or is being expected to drive 16 hours at a time on every run gonna wear you out?
I'm not a trucker, so I don't know. I've had trucker friends complain about being forced to stop while only a few min out from a delivery. I've also had trucker friends complain about driving hours on end without stopping.
What do you truckers think?
There is a difference between driving straight for 10+ hours and driving and stopping for 10 or more hours...
Im not actually a truck driver but I have done deliveries for 10 hours.
Also I have driven a car for 10 hours straight and hitting that point at least for me driving becomes dangerous the road fucks with your internals... messes with your inner equilibrium and shit... why when you drive you get sleepy for no fucking reason...
So yeah this is greed and a lack of fucking care for human life in general... as per course for the us currently...
Sir, I wasnt driving that past hour, there was an accident and it was gridlocked for the whole hour, I didnt move an inch! Please let me finish my delivery 15 minutes away!
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Yeah this will totally not result in more crashes and accidents with unnecessary deaths. Fckn capitalists killing again people.
So this is for truckers transporting gas and diesel.
Are they just trying to look good, or are they trying to minimally lower the price of those products before the midterms? Will it even have an effect? It's not like the price is high due to the local distribution in the USA.
(Unlike Switzerland where the low water line of the Rhine has actually increased the price of importing the gas, beyond the high price on the world market.)
Do you doubt this will bring the diesel back from over 6$/gallon to below 4? Have a little faith in the geniuses who rule the US right now!
Little nuance to the headline:
administration is temporarily relaxing rules on hours of service by truck drivers handling gasoline and diesel, citing supply and cost concerns.
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My eye start crossing after 10 hours.
Fuel Truck drivers*