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But seriously what kind of predatory policy is that in the first place?

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[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 130 points 1 day ago (1 children)

But seriously what kind of predatory policy is that in the first place?

It's a gambling site.

Gambling is inherently predatory. It's addictive. Gambling sites prey on this addiction. They're not gonna let you go so easily. The wait period is to see if you're really one of their best customers, unable to go cold-turkey.

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 21 points 1 day ago (2 children)

But it's so obviously flagrantly predatory... I really thought this would be too far, like legally.

[–] InputZero@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I remember a time when Gambling was poison to professional sports. I'm not talking about office fantasy teams, or small bets between friends. I'm talking capital G Gambling. Professional Gambling run by businesses and gaming commissions. Professional sports tried very hard to distance themselves from gambling, so much so that Vegas didn't have professional sports teams. Now there's a ribbon on the screen showing Gambling stats the whole game. It's ridiculous.

Now I know we can't put the genie back into the bottle. Gambling apps are here and they're not going anywhere. We can stop the ubiquitous ads. We've done this before with cigarettes. It wouldn't be hard. Take down the ads, stop showing betting lines during the game, remove any mention of it. Cause right now it really looks like professional sports and gambling are joined at the hip and before too long American professional sports will be more about gambling than the game. Which lets face it, professional sports are about being a profitable business first and a sports team second. We've just completely forgotten about the game to make another quick buck.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 4 points 23 hours ago

Cause right now it really looks like professional sports and gambling are joined at the hip and before too long American professional sports will be more about gambling than the game.

i thought that already happened in the NBA and NFL. MLB, maybe. Pete Rose and Michael Jordan come to mind.

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Yeah, not to be pithy but the first step is admitting there's a problem. That's where we're at now (or trying to get to).

It's so weird to me that sports/gambling have become so conflated. Clearly a lot of money has been thrown at the businesses running professional sports to land us here.

Cigarettes is a perfect analogy. It's not even an extreme comparison, both are undeniably a net harm to people, but are somehow normalized.

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[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago

Have you seen who's making the laws?

[–] daggermoon@piefed.world 83 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Fuck is a cooldown period?

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[–] CaptainBasculin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 254 points 1 day ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

be this site

advertise to kids using discord servers

if they win from gambling, ban them bc they're underage

if they lose, it's their loss anyway

double your profits with a simple trick

btw this is not just a meme. This is something they literally do, see this vid for more details: https://youtu.be/yJZ9SwRArqs

[–] Speculater@lemmy.world 124 points 1 day ago (2 children)

My nephew fell for this trick. He's not a child, but he was gambling online on a European site as an American. He won big, tried to withdraw, they asked for a European passport. RIP his entire account.

[–] socsa@piefed.social 4 points 21 hours ago

Yup, this has been going on since the very early days of online casinos. A buddy of mine get screwed out of a few thousand playing one of those Caribbean poker sites because the Caribbean "bank" which handles the deposits didn't participate in the US banking system, and he'd checked a box which certified that he was a citizen of St Lucia or something. Whoops.

[–] olafurp@lemmy.world 52 points 1 day ago (2 children)

For any finincial anything always do a round trip with a $10 too see if it's possible.

[–] Speculater@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

He was putting in thousands, about $5,000 USD. They were letting him withdraw a few hundred here and there. Then he won something like $10k that's when they did a Know Your Customer check. Which he failed, obviously. They kept his principal and his winnings, lol.

Hopefully he took it as a lesson. Not much else he can do. They said on their terms of service Americans were explicitly forbidden. Not much recourse.

[–] boonhet@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

That's not a trick, that's a legal requirement. They have to do KYC on a few grand and AML once it gets bigger. I had to go through this with Wise when I received a life insurance payout from another continent and I had to phone customer support to get it cleared.

[–] Speculater@lemmy.world 5 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

I'm not saying it was illegal or anything, just that they probably make a lot of money turning on the KYC after big wins. They'll never do one to a losing customer.

In that sense, I do believe it's a bit tricky.

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[–] cameron_@lemmy.world 42 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I've heard of scammers paying out small amounts deliberately to reel in more money so this still doesn't guarantee it's real.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 4 points 22 hours ago

So the trick is to find a bunch of scammers to try this on

[–] Ironrod@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Even legitimate gambling websites do this, I was able to cash out £150 fine but a few weeks later when I tried to cash out at £700 I had to supply id. I was still able to deposit more money from the same card though, supplied my id, cashed it all out, told them to delete all of my details and account and never looked back

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[–] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 320 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

predatory policy

gambling site

same thing.

[–] Malica@lemmy.zip 34 points 1 day ago

It's the wild West meets end stage capitalism out there.

[–] solitaire404@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 day ago (8 children)

At least for us that are clever, can use tactics like this while we can.

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[–] fonix232@fedia.io 157 points 1 day ago (29 children)

Having worked in the industry, there's actually an explanation that is only half predatory.

Most of those addicted to gambling can't and won't shake it. They refuse to seek professional help, and the decision to quit only lasts the "temporary embarrassment" phase of losing all their money. Meaning: most gamblers who decide to quit (and we've got statistics on this), about 80-85% on average, is back to their favourite gambling service within 60 days.

At the company I worked at, the primary reasoning for having a cooldown period instead of instant deletion was the following:

  • the cooldown period can already be linked with our lockout service which blocks the person from using the service for X days, so if they REALLY wanted to, they could block themselves for the entire time (and it surprisingly is being offered as part of the cooldown period)
  • if there's a regulatory block (meaning you got formally diagnosed by a doctor, and that doctor, with your consent, reached out to the local regulatory body and requested a blacklist entry for you), the service is blocked either way
  • the users who do come back, don't want to lose their "stats" - their previous bets, wins, losses, etc. would all be gone with a new account. In fact, the number one complaint from returning users was that their data was gone.

Basically the idea is "if they're coming back anyway, we might as well make it easy for them".

Now the thing is, for all the regulations... Gambling services are unfortunately not responsible for the addiction they cause. In my opinion they should be, just as a doctor would be held responsible if they fed into a patient's painkiller addiction. And for all the regulatory crap... most people in gambling companies aren't interested in compliance that much. It's very much a "do it then say sorry and fix it in post" attitude from the leadership and higher management. So while the above might be the "official" explanation, I have zero doubt that the decision makers don't give a fuck and are specifically doing it to psychologically pressure people into coming back.

[–] porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 37 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Basically the idea is "if they're coming back anyway, we might as well make it easy for them".

What exactly is the non-predatory half of that?

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[–] the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

"Basically the idea is "if they're coming back anyway, we might as well make it easy for them"."

Thats extremely predatory, you are leaving bait in a trap.

The responsible thing would be to delete and ban them since they have an addiction.

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[–] Mio@feddit.nu 3 points 22 hours ago

Best thing I heard all day is this 😁

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