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    [–] spacegoat@lemmy.world 7 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

    Thank you Lemmy devs for just allowing to download videos and images. Fuck reddit

    [–] thorhop@sopuli.xyz 101 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

    Here's a careful reminder that Linux viruses can come in Windows executables.

    When it comes to hacking in the modern day it's all about escaping the box - whether that box is a container, a VM, a sandbox or indeed even an emulated environment. So we should still fear the binary blob.

    Remember: update early, update often - no matter how painful that sounds.

    [–] Maestro@fedia.io 54 points 16 hours ago (4 children)

    Remember: update early, update often - no matter how painful that sounds.

    Not anymore! Supply chain attacks have become so common that it's prudent to wait at least 7 days before updating to prevent installing malware from compromised update infrastructure.

    [–] nroth@lemmy.world 9 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

    So, what's the solution? Debian Stable?

    [–] dgdft@lemmy.world 10 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (2 children)

    Debian + unattended upgrades + modern package managers for non-system-installed software covers your bases very well.

    Debian packages are downstream enough from their sources that the packaging delay keeps you safe (and means the updates have had human eyes on them before they hit you). Unattended upgrades means you don’t have to worry about running the upgrades yourself.

    Pip, npm, and the other big package managers now also support dependency cooldowns on their recent releases, but uv and pnpm pioneered that and cover you for older release environments.

    [–] blibla@slrpnk.net 3 points 10 hours ago

    uv is owned by openai fun fact

    [–] XiJinpingStanAccount@lemmy.ml 6 points 12 hours ago

    Also I would heavily advocate for Debian Testing if you need a rolling release distro. It is less vetted than stable but is still more vetted than many other rolling release options and you can just stay on testing as versions change while getting features pretty fast compared to stable.

    [–] zane@infosec.pub 1 points 13 hours ago
    [–] nroth@lemmy.world 5 points 14 hours ago

    I really like Arch because I have a very custom setup and like to try the newest things, but this really worries me as Arch-based user-friendly distros that use the same packages make the repos a bigger target.

    [–] signalsayge@infosec.pub 4 points 15 hours ago

    On the other hand, AI has made the patch to exploit code as short as 45 minutes.

    [–] Speiser0@feddit.org 3 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

    What if you use for example ubuntu and wait 3 years?

    [–] DevDave@piefed.social 3 points 14 hours ago

    I switched from Debian to an arch based distro. holy shit is it weird reading about some new things latest release only to have it pushed to the repo the same month or even the same day! I use btrfs so when things break its a 5 minute rollback and reboot.

    [–] dgdft@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

    You’d still be fine if you’re not exposing public services or visiting actively-malicious websites.

    [–] Speiser0@feddit.org 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

    You are underestimating things. Unmalicious websites can still host malicious content by users, for example.

    [–] dgdft@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

    Okay, wanna give me a link to a PoC example you set up?

    I’ll reimage my laptop to an old Ubuntu ISO of your choice, and visit your link. Happy to be proven wrong.

    [–] Speiser0@feddit.org 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

    No, I will not spend hours of my time to win an irrelevant internet argument. :P

    [–] dgdft@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

    Fair enough!

    But I can tell you as a cybersecurity expert that you’d have a hard time finding a way to get any sort of remote execution from user-generated content on any major site, much less an exploitable browser sandbox escape.

    [–] motruck@lemmy.zip 13 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

    Compatibility layer. Wine Is Not an Emulator.

    [–] Allero@lemmy.today 8 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

    Which is what makes the situation much worse

    [–] capital5@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

    I read a hilarious article, probably 2 decades ago by now, where a guy decided to try running Windows viruses on Linux in Wine.

    If this really is a threat today, I would say that Wine has become a pretty damn impressive project. Here's the link in case anyone else wants to read it: https://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/05/01/26/219201/running-windows-viruses-under-linux

    [–] dgdft@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago

    There’s never been an instance of widespread malware built with a dedicated ability to persist on a Linux host through Wine.

    It wouldn’t be hard at all for a hacker to manually wire up linux-specific malware on a computer once they had a RAT running in Wine, but there’s no credible risk of windows malware automatically installing β€œlinux viruses” at present.

    [–] ourselves@slrpnk.net 5 points 12 hours ago

    This makes me miss r/shittyreactiongifs

    [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 181 points 1 day ago (1 children)
    [–] AliOski@feddit.nl 26 points 21 hours ago

    This is pure gold

    [–] CaptainBasculin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 185 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    Meanwhile innocent looking Z:/ drive

    [–] zurohki@aussie.zone 115 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

    Yeah, Wine is not a secure container. Don't count on it for security.

    [–] TheSyndZ@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

    Isn't a way possible to prevent z:/ mapping while creating wine prefix ?

    [–] zurohki@aussie.zone 18 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

    It's not just the drive letter mapping, Wine doesn't make any attempt to secure software.

    You can run Wine inside an actual security solution.

    [–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

    All my Windows games that I launch from Lutris (which are most, since I tend to avoid Steam and prefer GOG) are launched by default inside a Firejail container configured amongst other things to have no networking enabled.

    All you need to do for it is to setup a "command prefix" with firejail and its launch parameters at the Lutris level and it becomes the default one for all games.

    So yeah, this runs Wine inside an actual security solution and since it's setup at the level or the launcher I use, it does it for all the games I launch from it.

    [–] mysterious_cake@feddit.nl 11 points 20 hours ago

    I guess not allowing flatpak wine to access anything that is not necessary is the easiest way to achieve it. No idea if it is also the most secure solution.

    [–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 18 hours ago

    runs wine as root yolo

    [–] Artemis_Mystique@lemmy.ml 11 points 20 hours ago

    unless you have it sandboxed in a flatpack container

    [–] MangoPenguin@piefed.social 17 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

    Isn't your user data available in Wine on Z:\ though? I laughed at the meme but I'd still be worried info stealer malware or similar would have no problem grabbing the data it's looking for as Wine does no sandboxing at all.

    [–] DragonOracleIX@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 hours ago

    Flatpak bottles can use wine in a sandboxed environment. Both flatpak and bottles have ways to restrict access to parts of the filesystem.

    [–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 5 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

    you can remove the Z drive letter, but that's not enough. Nothing prevents a windows program from attempting to call linux syscalls

    [–] MangoPenguin@piefed.social 2 points 12 hours ago

    Yeah, I'm sure some malware would fail on wine but some could still be just as bad compared to running windows natively.

    [–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 7 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

    Jokes on them, even when I ran windows my os wasn't on C, I think it was like E

    [–] Damage@slrpnk.net 6 points 12 hours ago (1 children)
    [–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

    Well I'm known to be a certified freak in the hard drive

    [–] Axolotl_cpp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 20 hours ago (4 children)

    "Okay i'il look in to other drives"

    Wine is a flatpak

    [–] KernelTale@programming.dev 13 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

    yea, I play pirated games via flatpak bottles in hopes that getting out of the sandbox would be far too much work for the possible gains.

    [–] rumba@lemmy.zip 1 points 13 hours ago

    That sounds perfectly reasonable.

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    [–] RustyNova@lemmy.world 30 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

    My linus virus trying to fuck up my disk on nixos (coreutils isn't in the path)

    [–] ThunderComplex@lemmy.today 17 points 16 hours ago

    I'm sorry Linus Torvalds is personally trying to destroy your PC

    [–] MrSoup@lemmy.zip 5 points 16 hours ago

    Proton for some reason insists in mounting root on Z. Plain wine doesn't care. So I had to use firejail.

    [–] adarza@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    doesn't every game have its own c_drive?

    [–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 4 points 12 hours ago

    more correctly every wineprefix. Depending on how you install games, they might not be running in separate wineprefixes, but I believe steam does it that way

    [–] Ghoelian@piefed.social 62 points 1 day ago

    Yea im pretty sure thats the point. The virus will get a drive that has nothing but the infected game on it.

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