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Written by Steven Vaughan-Nichols, Senior Contributing Editor
July 23, 2025 at 11:31 a.m. PT

Recently, vibe coding bit Jason Lemkin, trusted advisor to SaaStr, the Software-as-a-Service (SaaS) business community, in the worst possible way. The vibe program, Replit, he said, went "rogue during a code freeze and shutdown and deleted our entire database."

In a word: Wow. Just wow.

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[–] BombOmOm@lemmy.world 29 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I'll likely be spending $8,000 a month

You can hire an actual programmer for that kind of money. Someone with years of experience who knows what they are doing.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 20 points 4 months ago

They could also hire me and get the same quality work as the AI. 😌

[–] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

Easily. AI is a sham

[–] thedruid@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You can hire a couple for that money.

[–] ifItWasUpToMe@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Good software engineers should make a lot more than 48k

[–] thedruid@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] ifItWasUpToMe@lemmy.ca 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Last time I was in Arizona I saw signs for McDonald’s hiring starting at $20/hour. You think an experienced software engineer should be making essentially the same wage as a McDonald’s worker?

[–] thedruid@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Consdering I did twenty years as a developer and SEO, and also spent my time before that flipping a few burgers. I can say they damn sure work harder than developers.

Also. You sure youre better than them? I mean, you have the right to say they aren't worth it?

[–] ifItWasUpToMe@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

As someone who has also done both, flipping burgers should obviously be paid less than engineers lol it’s hilarious you’d think otherwise.

Nice job putting words in my mouth at the end. Imagine thinking the amount you are paid makes you better. Holy shit dude.

[–] thedruid@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I didnt t say that. I said they work harder

And now.. Well. A. I builds most if it. You guys just clean it up.

Not like when we ran BBS systems even in the 80s. Not much realy going on other than api calls, maybe some data normalization here and there.

Oh you do have to put up wuth FAR more drama and B. S.

Now physically you don't work harder. Like at all. Let's not lie. We both know that. You do work harder mentally. In both cases the work is needed, and is important to the customer.

The fact that you class one form of work over another as worth more is ridiculous. And classist. More like you see a cast syttem and i see people.

If you want to really go that route garbage men should make three times what a developer does. Compared to them we developers and SEOS are useless.

So. Go feel superior somewhere else. I dont have any time for arrogant kids looking down on others.

[–] ifItWasUpToMe@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 months ago

At no point did I say, or even hint that making more money means you are a better person, or worth more. By asking me if I think I am better than McDonald’s workers, you are saying that self worth is tied to wage. So yes you did say that.

How much someone is paid is based on how much money they generate, and how much responsibility/stress the job has. There aren’t many jobs with less responsibilities and stress as McDonalds workers. You aren’t up all night hoping that that buns don’t spoil overnight.

If you want to live in a fantasy world where how much someone is paid is based solely on how hard they work, then that’s fine. But we are talking about the real world here.

I really don’t understand the hostility, calling me an arrogant kid. Is this how you respond to everyone that had a different opinion than you?

You seem to have a very broken view of work and self worth. At no point in any of my responses have I alluded that making more money had anything to do with being superior, better, worth more. Yet you keep saying how superior I must feel. You must realize this is 100% your projection.

[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 20 points 4 months ago

I guess AI does create coding jobs. In a roundabout way.

[–] dan@upvote.au 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The funny part is that Replit has billboard ads along the 101 in Silicon Valley that say "vibe code, safely"

I didn't realise repl.it has pivoted to vibe coding. It used to be similar to CodeSandbox or jsfiddle - a sandbox for writing and running code.

[–] scytale@piefed.zip 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

A lot of have pivoted. When I attend conferences, most of the vendor sponsors are basically “this same product that provides this common service, but with AI integration”.

[–] dan@upvote.au 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

And probably 90% of them are just building on top of OpenAI's API rather than having their own model, and OpenAI still don't know how to become profitable. It feels like the dot com bubble all over again.

[–] ashenone@lemmy.ml 11 points 4 months ago

I love this for them

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Play stupid games...

Seriously, unsandboxed? Maybe I just don't understand how Replit works.

"Three and one-half days into building my latest project, I checked my Replit usage: $607.70 in additional charges beyond my $25/month Core plan. And another $200-plus yesterday alone. At this burn rate, I'll likely be spending $8,000 a month. And you know what? I'm not even mad about it. I'm locked in. But my goal here isn't to play around. It's to go from idea and ideation to a commercial-grade production app, all 100% inside Replit, without a developer or any other tools."

JFC. Hook, line and sinker.

edit: https://farside.link/x.com/jasonlk/status/1945539345328607312 - and then he asks a different AI what it thinks about his AI lying to him? WTF is wrong with this person?

edit2: What a rollercoaster. Read it! Movie material. For the sake of exciting investigative journalism & uncovering deep shit, I forgive Lemkin.

edit3:

"Sure, Gen AI supercharges development, but it also supercharges risk. Two engineers can now churn out the same amount of insecure, unmaintainable code as 50 engineers."

lol

And just to be clear, nazi tech bros and their cheerleaders are marginally more responsible here, for propagating lie after lie after lie.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca -2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

shutdown

Hey SJVN! When you see someone making an obvious spelling mistake, you use [sic] to show you're leaving the mistake as-is.

Thanks!

[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 6 points 4 months ago

there's no spelling mistake here. whether or not you agree it can be a verb (probably not), "shutdown" definitely can be a noun. it's not that AI shut it down, it's that this happened during the shutdown