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well i sometimes use ai (sorry i hope i will stop using it sometime soon) but because nobody wants a machine to do everything if it did everything humans wont have a productive way to spend their time (not accurate since i am not 100 percent against ai)
and also it justifies big tech control (nothing in this post was written by AI)
and a lot more
The lemmy userbase consists of a lot of people who work or dabble in tech, a larger % than most other forums and social media. That means more people here have directly used AI for their day-to-day technical tasks/jobs, not your typical social media user who just uses AI to generate memes or do their school essay. So they have first hand experience of how inaccuracies with AI have larger consequences than 6 fingers on a hand.
They claim to automate the work so we have more time to focus on imporant things. Has this ever happened? We got computers, productivity went up, and we still work 40 hours and are poorer than previous generations. In a time of climate crises, they take our dwindling resources so people can create stupid images and videos. I want to see creativity being shared.
Besides, everything AI learned is stolen from people who put the work in. I want people to visit my website, that I worked hard on. I don't want some LLM telling you what it "learned" from my work. I know search engines purposely make their results crap so the only way to get information is to use an LLM nowadays and I admit I use LLMs for that reason. I can't just google what I need anymore most of the time.
Has this ever happened?
Doing laundry used to be among the most time-consuming household tasks. Washing machine at the time probably offered women more liberty than the pill did.
Most workplaces pay for your time anyway - not output.
And then what happened? Double income couples have to squeeze in time for laundry in the weekend.
My feeling is im not sure much has increased quality of life since the 70's. The only thing I can point to is maybe the microwave.
The microwave was invented in the 1940s.
yeah just was not in many kitchens until the 80's
Yea, just pointing out how tech hasn't really advanced much for normies except for computers and better but not new tech ... at least until capitalists all decided enshittification was the way to a golden future...
And now these greedy fucks are trying to take away massive advancements from the past so they can put it into a subscription model...
People do not hate MBAs nearly enough.
yeah and I love computers but more and more I question if they have had much of a actual improvement on quality of life for the average person. Im not even sure if nock on effects matter that much. I mean it did allow us to map the human genome and do a lot on protein folding and drugs but im not sure we would not have been about the same level along even without them.
Decades it pro, working on central stuff.
The current ai aka LLM is based on an illegal foundation, has high training and running resource cost and produces results that everyone in their field has to at least rework. This is while there are comparatively lightweight solutions that produce good results.
Not even mentioning the environmental and financial impact.
So yeah it's a tool and can be trained and used for useful things but it's sold as the solution for everything (especially them milking money) by the tech bros which it is absolutely not, leaving a wake of destruction and massive brain drain.
The worst part is that superficially it looks the part and higher ups in the business ate the most gullible people.
The Fediverse is generally-to-strongly anti-corporate. 98% of LLM AI is owned/controlled by corporations.
I will say, one benefit of the LLMs getting better at hacking are all the new jailbreaks for the Sony PS4 and PS5. Sony said it'd be impossible to support backwards compatibility for PS3 games on the PS5, but that's been proved wrong and there are now PS3 emulators being ported over for jailbroken PS5.
It doesn't seem to have much use. Supposedly we're all going to have AI do our work for us and we'll have more free time, which is the biggest load of bullshit I've ever seen.
No, we won't have more free time, we will be just "more productive". If the company you work at finds a way to make you more efficient or more productive, they wont give you more free time. Instead, they will make you work same hours and expect more from you.
Companies are not trying to make us more efficient, they're going to make their profit margin larger. This is a situation posed by Cory Doctrow in The Reverse Centaur's Guide to Life After AI. Imagine a hospital with 10 radiologists reviewing scans for cancer. Sam Altman sells the hospital an AI radiologist analysts that costs the same as 5 human salaries and can do the job of all 10 of them. Of course the AI is not foolproof, so hospital wants the AI analysis to be reviewed by humans, and they figure only 3 of the radiologists are needed for this. From the hospital's POV, they have a net savings of 2 radiologist salaries. This is the dream of companies that are implementing AI.
The 3 remaining radiologists are considered "reverse centaurs" since they're turned into results-checking drones. They will continue to be overloaded with cases and less intimately involved in the patient analysis, which will turn into general rubber stamping the AI output, rather than spending the time actually analyzing.
This is just a starting point, but the insane amount of pollution and constant disregard for a better way of doing things was the first reason I dropped it. Even if it was a good, reliable product, the way it’s produced is egregious and wasteful: https://youtu.be/t-8TDOFqkQA
go local
I can't speak for the community, however in 2022 when ChatGPT was in development, lots of us were excited about it. When ChatGPT came out, and the image AIs came out, I tried them and was pretty impressed at first. However as I learned more about them and time went on, I learned to not like them, and avoid them. This is what happened:
So that's why i don't like it and try not to use it any more.
That is a reasonable list I 100% agree with you. Many of them are part of my experience. Especially as using AI as an authority. You can't even convince them otherwise.
However, I've got a question for you: have you noticed any good or correct usage of AI.
Recently I've been looking up ethically trained models and there do seem to be a handful out there. I haven't tried them yet.
I'm pretty ok with the ones that help subtitlers do their work but that's about it that I've found so far.
First point is quite important. In some cases it's merely nuisance, but in the extreme it could cause a fatal error. Reminds me of a parable:
An astronomer keeps a subscription to a newspaper, and uses it to keep informed about politics, world issues, etc. One day the astronomer is excited to see that their paper is running an article on space: planets and stars and black holes and shit. Excited, they flip over to the article to see what they have to say and how they're educating people. They're shocked at the contents. They had expected that the paper would dumb things down with metaphor or layman's terms but it's worse than that - key parts of the article are factually, demonstrably, and completely wrong. Maybe not "Sun revolves around the Earth" stuff, but easily verifiable things and common misconceptions.
Realizing how badly the paper does within a field they know intimately, the astronomer cancels their subscription. If the newspaper reports about special interests are so wrong, they clearly aren't a good source of truth for the things that matter.
AI provides the output of that newspaper dialed up to a million percent by volume.
My boss used to work in auto repair and loves sharing stories about how ChatGPT is very wrong about error codes for certain cars, many times in a way that's very easy to look up.
He then nearly spent $1000 on parts that would have been totally useless to the company because he couldn't be bothered to read the spec sheet and trusted ChatGPT to tell him which part we needed rather than the person actually working on that project.
Your first bullet point is why I encourage people if they are going to use it to use it for something they know really well or will see the effects where mistakes are not going to be that bad with consequences (video games). I don't think anyone should use it for things they don't know till they get a good idea of how it performs on things they do.
No, it's not about knowing the llm that would ever make it OK to use on a subject you do not know...
The entire point is you have to know when it is spitting out jibberish.
What I meant is then they can see its limited and be aware that you have to evaluate its response. Its pretty much the same as searching the web was but we all know many people just found something and took it as gospel. Its kinda the same thing.
Yea, and if they're not a master in a field, they cannot validate its output.
Just because an LLM didn't output garbage for one query does not magically make it less likely to output garbage on a different topic. That's one of many reasons people in the know really hate this. You cannot just trust the output ever, which begs the question, "why do these rich goons all trust it enough to replace jobs?".
Because they're idiots that cannot validate any part of it.
Same reason that Luddites hated the textile factories. Its a tool but its the kind of tool that distances us from our work in a way that undermines our collective humanity.
I’m against AI for two main reasons: it’s a giant plagiarism machine built on the theft of the labor of millions, and it has disastrous environmental consequences in the form of rapid, giant data center deployment. (No, I am not impressed by whining about how all the internet uses data centers, build out and energy consumption remained modest until about 4 years ago). These are fundamental problems with the current implementation of the technology and I see no realistic way to change that, so I don’t see myself ever using it even if I did find it useful, which I don’t.
The only thing I’ve ever cared to have an “AI” do for me is answer incredibly niche questions that would take ages to figure out on my own, or require tracking down really obscure books, etc. But the nature of LLMs being ‘guess the next statistically most likely word’ means that it’s never going to be good for that. I can read on my own, I can write my own emails, and since I’m not a programmer I’m not stupid enough to fuck with code I don’t understand to do something a solution probably already exists for, if all the unmaintained vibe coded garbage hasn’t drowned it out. I don’t want a machine deciding what search results to show me, so I don’t use it as a search engine. I guess if I did more work with data it could maybe format it for me when I needed to make changes, but that would require trusting it not to randomly change parts of the data (which I don’t). So yeah, useless for me.
I respect you honest answer and fully understand your concerns. You have your own genuine reasons not to use AI. How ever as things evolve and, since I could use company provided AI for almost two years now, I can tell you LLMs now are not simply a tool to predict the next word. They got so much more advanced than that. I am not advocating for AI companies. I would want to run one locally. Just trying to keep you updated on the subject because you seem to have a niche interest in it. But I guess it won't be enough reason to start using it.
Locally hosted models are less egregious than corporate cloud models that actively harvest and monitor your data.
Corporate AI feeds the surveillance machine, that in turn is used to suppress dissent.
That and GenAI output in anything creative or market-based gets very same-y and gives the end user an impression of the creator not caring to put in effort. Perceived low effort = spam.
Lastly, genAI gets pushed into everything. It’s a matter of simple oversaturation and it gets exhausting to have it seemingly everywhere. Not having the option to turn it off becomes, well, a turnoff. 🤷🏻
If you make slop you have to prove that it’s not slop, not the other way around
It's not nearly everyone. Possibly not even the majority. It's just the ones who do tend to be very vocal about it.
My understanding is that it stems from the opposition against big tech in general. The reasons for being against AI are not dissimilar to the reasons why they oppose Facebook, Google, Twitter and such.
