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I was thinking about the phrase 'The pot calling the kettle black'. It comes from a time where cooking was done over open fires and cookware would become visibly ashy. (Fun fact: It first appears and was perhaps coined by Cervantes in Don Quixote!)

What are some other idioms that have lost their literal connection to time? What would be a good modern replacement?

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[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 day ago

I think the outdated/obsolete nature of terms in many idioms is what makes them charming.

It also makes it pretty clear you aren't using them in a literal sense. If your idioms are too new/unfamiliar and your terminology is too modern/relevant then people might just think you're being literal and not idiomatic.

[–] blackshirt@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In my home country they say "Cheap as Onions" (eq in English : Cheap as Dirt)

Looking at the prices on Onions nowadays ...

[–] SuluBeddu@feddit.it 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

In Italy, when something is expensive, we say that it's salted. Because salt was expensive. Hasn't been for a while but the word is still there!

[–] Typotyper@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago

"Worth ones salt" is older and sort of Italian (Roman)

https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/worth-ones-salt.html

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

Same in Germany

[–] Jonnyprophet@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A stitch in time saves nine.

This refers to a time when clothes were hard to come by and often homemade. If they tore, a small tear could be fixed with one stitch of needle and thread, but if let go too long, it would take many more stitches to repair a bigger rip.

Change your oil (or tires) in time, or change your car.

[–] ryesyg@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

This is still relevant, please take care of your clothes.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

Eating a dead horse - not unless you buy the budget beef mince at Tesco

Read like rabbits - rabbits can't read or even hold books

Nip it in the butt - that's sexual assault, you're not allowed to do that any more

Get down off your high horse - you're not allowed to get animals high either

Kids should be shorn and not herd - goats have hair, not wool, and can't be shorn. Their natural tendency to herd is a difficult behaviour to break.

Under the weather - unless you're a pilot you're going to be under the weather most of the time

A blessing in the skies - unless your bishop is a pilot too, that's not going to happen.

Fight off more than you can chew - I don't know where to start with this one,

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Boneappletea

[–] crimsonpoodle@pawb.social 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I always thought it was “nip it in the bud” where a bud is the early stage of a plants development / before the flower emerges on a flower. So meaning “kill it before it grows larger and that becomes harder”

[–] bitchkat@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Has to be trolling because they are all wrong.

[–] motruck@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Under the weather is right.

[–] CalypsoGirl@lemmy.today 1 points 3 hours ago

And get off your high horse is right too. So the whole thing was a weird comment, leaving the readers uncertain if OP was trolling or just...yeah mostly trolling.

[–] bitchkat@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

They probably messed that one up. I wonder how they meant to mangle it?

[–] bitchkat@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

You almost got me.

[–] rapchee@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

surely there's a /s or a trollface i'm missing

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm not pulling your Greg, if that's what you mean.

You leave my Greg alone. He's perfectly capable pulling himself & if he needs help I have gloves!

[–] elephantium@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

I was half expecting that to have been posted by LadyMondegreen

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[–] SMillerNL@piefed.social 102 points 2 days ago (5 children)

"Avoiding things like the plague" because people did not actually seem to want to avoid the plague last time around.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 days ago

Those that failed to avoid actual plagues often lived only long enough to regret it.

This was true also in the 1918 Spanish Flu epidemic. And there were anti-vaxxers even then.

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[–] SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip 38 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Oh, man, when it comes to nautical idioms, I could go on all day. There are so many, and they've lost their literal connections so thoroughly, you probably don't even think of some of them as idioms. A few that occur to me immediately:

  • taken aback (wind on the wrong side of the sails)
  • give a wide berth (extra space for a vessel to maneuver)
  • leeway (unwanted downwind slippage of the vessel when in motion)
  • above board (on deck, the board being the section of the hull running fore and aft just above the water line)
  • onboard (to load onto the deck of the ship)
  • go by the board (to fall off of the ship into the water, passing the board on the way)
  • hand over fist (two-handed motion to pull in sails, ropes, etc. as quickly as possible)
  • high and dry (above the tide line)
  • loose cannon (a gun insufficiently secured would cause havoc on a warship when fired, or as the ship rolled in waves)

Honestly, I'm not sure that I want modern equivalents, since many are so rich in imagery.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 day ago

Don't forget "I like the cut of your jib"

[–] MrsDoyle@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago

Batten down the hatches too.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

Three sheets to the wind!

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[–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I don't think it's the char/open fire but rather that both pot a d kettle would be made of the same black cast iron

[–] ToxicWaste@lemmy.cafe 1 points 16 hours ago

in our holiday house we still cook on an iron stove. we also installed a small gas burner, because that stove is the heating system for all the 3 small rooms. it gets really hot - so usually you don't want to use it during summer.

but the original pans are out of copper. they have a complex shape so, if you remove the cooking top, you can hang them directly into the fire. cast iron surely was and still is a thing. but i will always choose copper over cast iron for something i want hot quickly. i would bet that most kettles where made out of something thin and conductive, so your water is hot quicker.

all our copper is black from the sud.

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[–] Hegar@fedia.io 62 points 2 days ago (14 children)

"Have your cake and eat it too" doesn't really make sense. Cake is not rare or expensive enough that simply possessing it feels good. If you have cake, all you want is to eat it.

The italian version, "you want a full barrel and drunk wife" illustrates the same situation much more clearly.

[–] hungprocess@piefed.world 83 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I'm only half joking when I say this could be the modern replacement. I've caught both myself and the S.O. using "no take only throw" in conversation, often about unreasonably demanding people.

[–] Hawke@lemmy.world 33 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (8 children)

That’s because it’s backwards. Should be “eat your cake and have it too”

Edit: While that preserves the form and is recognizable as the common saying, it makes the meaning clearer if phrased as “Eat your cake and still have it”.

[–] Aeri@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Thank you Unabomber

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[–] Akido37@lemmy.world 65 points 2 days ago (9 children)

“Burning the midnight oil”

[–] BigPotato@lemmy.world 1 points 21 hours ago

Your using your battery without a wall charger, huh?

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (11 children)

All the horse ones because we don't use horses anymore. There a ton of them.

Don't look a gift horse in the mouth. Who tf gets a gift horse?

Saddle up. Who tf has a saddle?

Hold your horses. Who tf has horses to hold?

Get off your high horse. Who tf has a high horse?

Beat a dead horse. WTF.

[–] trebach@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

Don't look a gift horse in the mouth. Don't check the dipstick of a gifted car.

They have the same meaning that you're trying see if the horse is healthy and the car's engine is in good condition.

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[–] Quilotoa@lemmy.ca 42 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Don't put the cart before the horse.
Don't submit your post before you write it.

[–] anewfox@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"pot calling the kettle steel" just doesn't have the same ring to it.

[–] Eric@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 day ago

I mean black is still a common color for cookware though

[–] crwth@piefed.zip 33 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Dollars to donuts originated in an age when a dollar could buy a considerable quantity of donuts. Inflation has since reduced the literal interpretation of the expression to nearly even odds.

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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I love head over heels as, in love.

It's vice versa that makes actual sense, but that was considered too obviously risqué in the age the phrase was coined.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

My head over her heels ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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