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[–] betanumerus@lemmy.ca 8 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

Not really. Many of us have known for a long time that electrification was the obvious way forward. The reason others don't is that the O&G industry are hindering progress through media.

[–] iocase@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 hours ago

Also the USD was backed by oil. The US would never allow countries to truly decarbonize since it undermines the value of the dollar.

[–] Jiral@lemmy.world 4 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Somehow US media always brings those "why Europe sucks at things" articles, even on topics where the EU is actually holding up substantially better than the US, like electrification of road vehicles of all categories and domestic industries staying in that business. That said, Europe is certainly in a death struggle against Chinese competition but things are not nearly looking as lost as with the domestic US industry in the sector.

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 24 points 17 hours ago

Thank the right-wingers and conservatives who undermine green efforts at every turn.

[–] JensSpahnpasta@feddit.org 40 points 19 hours ago (6 children)

I really do not like people boasting about how foreign dictatorships are doing everything better while bashing our local democracies. If this guy wants to see an electric truck, he can simply walk onto European streets. They are there. And they are available from those "incubent manufacturers" that he bashes in the article.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 15 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

I really do not like people boasting about how foreign dictatorships are doing everything better while bashing our local democracies.

I mean, electrification is one area where China is significantly and undoubtedly outdoing every single democracy out there. How democratic China is has no bearing on that fact.

[–] JensSpahnpasta@feddit.org 1 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

How democratic China is has no bearing on that fact.

It does matter because this is totally what chinese state propaganda is broadcasting to the world. The old playbook the soviets have been doing

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 points 9 hours ago

It also happens to be true.

[–] sunsoaked_lily@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

ah yes, the old soviet ploy to make the everyone think their society is flourishing by... improving their society. damn sneaky commies

[–] filcuk@feddit.uk 1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (2 children)

I don't know if I agree. A dictatorship decides to make more batteries and so the industry bends. Land is taken by the state to build mines. Little regard for the people or the environment.
All of this makes it easier for China to just move to electric, and part of why the EVs they export are so cheap.
They subsidise by environmental impact and possibly human suffering.

* Not to mention they own the battery market.

[–] bestagon@lemmy.world 5 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I don’t think there’s a country in the developed world with a government that finds it distasteful to subsidize the consumption of their populace with environmental and human suffering. Moral superiority isn’t the difference being spotlit here. I think China just controls more manufacturing of its own which makes pivoting their society more efficient

[–] filcuk@feddit.uk 1 points 9 hours ago

The question was about politics and economics, not morals.
I would hope not supporting suffering and destruction doesn't need to be explicitly stated to be understood.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 1 points 9 hours ago

I'm not sure the argument "EVs are bad for the environment actually" works as well as you think it does.

[–] Redditquaza@feddit.org 1 points 12 hours ago

Norway walks into the room.

[–] comrade_twisty@feddit.org 15 points 19 hours ago

Have been seeing e-Atros in Switzerland and Germany daily during my commutes this year, they are everywhere if you keep your eyes open.

[–] typo@sh.itjust.works 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Small sample from the US but I've seen some all-electric Penske trucks making deliveries to nearby warehouses. Day-cab semis with full 52' trailers

https://www.pensketruckleasing.com/truck-leasing/leasing-services/electric-vehicles/

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 hours ago

Penske doesn't make trucks.

Peterbuilt has several EV models. So does MAC. The industry started R&D in electrics years ago.

[–] gewindestift@feddit.org 3 points 17 hours ago

True but the batteries in them still are from china.

[–] deHaga@feddit.uk 1 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Why has your map removed parts of Europe?

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 4 points 17 hours ago (1 children)
[–] comrade_twisty@feddit.org 1 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Wrong. What about Norway and Iceland? Why are they included?

[–] Quittenbrot@feddit.org 4 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

It is a map of the EEA, which is EU + EFTA*

'* excluding CH, since they voted no.

[–] comrade_twisty@feddit.org 1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (3 children)

Oh, hey another grouping of European countries that I didn't know yet!

Is Liechtenstein included in this or not?

[–] Changaco@jlai.lu 1 points 9 hours ago

You can find the answer to that question and many others in the Wikipedia article on European integration.

[–] Quittenbrot@feddit.org 1 points 10 hours ago

Yes, Liechtenstein is included. The Swiss voted against it in 1992, whereas the Liechtensteiners voted in favor.

[–] Jiral@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

I had to check because I was not sure but interestingly enough Liechtenstein is in fact member of the EEA, while Switzerland is not, even though Liechtenstein is in a customs and monetary union with Switzerland.

[–] TheGoldenV@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago

Bad news Norway…

[–] comrade_twisty@feddit.org 2 points 18 hours ago

It's some weird map, looks to be Schengen with Switzerland removed and Ireland and Iceland added...

[–] supersquirrel@lemmy.ca 2 points 11 hours ago

Yeah and it is telling that you weren't convinced by an affordable, simple and cheap electric hatchback commuter car, asshole.