this post was submitted on 01 Nov 2026
307 points (99.0% liked)

Privacy

51777 readers
760 users here now

A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.

Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.

In this community everyone is welcome to post links and discuss topics related to privacy.

Some Rules

Related communities

much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)

founded 7 years ago
MODERATORS
 

Github redlib thread still unfolding. From reddit shareholder letter,

And a key piece of work to retain new audiences is shifting Reddit to a logged-in-only experience.

Most on lemmy know the privacy and bot-infested dumpster fire reddit is. So it's very easy to think good riddance. But that misses an important point. IMO.

Inspite of the dumpster fire, it also contains a huge body of knowledge not found anywhere else. Example. Many times I have searched for a super obscure error message and the only good hits were a reddit thread in a tech sub. This is formerly open knowledge, accessible privately, now being closed and locked behind logins.

In old web forum days, weird niche info was distributed all over. That made it robust. Big tech social media displaced most of that world. It all got centralized. No matter hjow awful their algorithms are, no matter how toxic, those sites do have riches of knowledge.

We ARE losing something, if open access to niche info created by normal ppl is cut off.

"Ppl will figure a way around" you may say. There is no way to win that fight in the long run.

(page 2) 40 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] spy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 114 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (4 children)

This is the reason I don't like discord (alongside its lack of privacy, ownership).

I am aware they announced recently that the info will now be searchable (for servers that allow), but I consider it an information black hole.

So many people decide to use it and all that information is not searchable. It's also lost if discord ever desires it, or the server admin bans you, or wtv.

Moving to a more open internet has to come from the masses, but the masses like Facebook so here we are.

[–] thebardingreen@lemmy.starlightkel.xyz 41 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

I don't think the masses like Facebook. I think they hate it, and hate reddit's new policies. But they're also distracted / lazy and ignorant and neither understand the alternatives, nor are willing to invest time to discover and learn to use them. I'm also very sure the average person scores significantly lower on both intellectual curiosity and reading comprehension than the average Lemmy user.

When Trump 2.0 started, there was a massive uptick in people attempting to learn about cyber privacy, public infrastructure and other was to be safer and more in control of their digital lives. But most of them couldn't sustain it and it petered out after about 8 months. It will probably surge back if fascism does massive, rapid bullshit, but as long as they keep turning up the temperature slowly, the frog will just boil to death while doomscrolling and there's not a damn thing we can do about it.

[–] steelplatedmech@piefed.ca 8 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

You can tell reddit got dumber because of posts complaining about ads, which is the bare minimum level needed for tech literacy.

Which is why reddit has turned into being reposts of twitter, tiktok, and facebook as the general userbase became the bulk of the audience and biggest sign is the anti science demographic sharing the space that amazes you that they can even type.

It's also why reddit has been able to get away with their changes.

[–] airgapped@piefed.social 2 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

Sorry but this is complete cope. I left reddit after the API debacle and even I will begrudgingly admit the site stayed at least as useful as it was before, if not more so. I repeatedly come back to find answers to obscure questions less than 3 years old, I wish there was somewhere else to go.

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] ryper@lemmy.ca 23 points 14 hours ago

I don’t think the masses like Facebook. I think they hate it, and hate reddit’s new policies.

I think the way Cory Doctorow put it is Facebook is betting people love their friends and family more than they hate Mark Zuckerberg.

[–] artyom@piefed.social 6 points 15 hours ago

there’s not a damn thing we ~~can~~ will do about it.

FTFY

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 20 points 16 hours ago

What I really don’t like about discord is I have to have an account to use it and I can’t separate my accounts across spaces.

I might be part of some really weird spaces I do not want remotely associate with open source or even professional discussion and support groups. Why those tins are on discord I don’t know, but they are.

[–] FineCoatMummy@sh.itjust.works 14 points 16 hours ago

Moving to a more open internet has to come from the masses

100%. Your frustration is mine too.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 9 points 12 hours ago

I hate to sound like I'm victim blaming, but this kinda sounds like a Leopards Ate My Face kind of situation. How can anybody trust Reddit to do what is good for the people that use the site? Anybody who writes software for Reddit must expect that it will be a cat and mouse situation where the community UX is deprioritized to chase money.

[–] pglpm@lemmy.ca 36 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (2 children)

I generally agree with your sentiment. But let's see some possibly positive sides at the same time:

  • Maybe this will encourage or entice people within or outside that wall to come to places like Lemmy.
  • And maybe will encourage people on Lemmy and similar platforms to share even more.
  • As time passes, a lot of that knowledge and information there becomes obsolete. This is something I'm strongly noticing also on StackExchange for example.
[–] mseven@piefed.ca 16 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (2 children)

It's why I'm testing out piefed.

But I've also been in software dev for 20yrs and am not your average user...

Went from MySpace, to Digg, to Reddit, now looking for new place for news feed that isn't tainted by the great algorithm.

[–] Blaze@piefed.zip 9 points 13 hours ago
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] artyom@piefed.social 6 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 5 minutes ago) (14 children)

Maybe this will encourage or entice people within or outside that wall to come to places like Lemmy

People say stuff like this all the time. History tells us that will not happen. There was a sitewide protest when they killed the API but no one left. History tells us there is fucking nothing these social media corporations can do to get people to leave. Because they have tried over and over again in recent years and it always fails. Maybe 1% finds somewhere else to spend their time.

E: you people need to familiarize yourself with the concept of hyperbole. I wasn't looking for your anecdotes.

[–] leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

There was a sitewide protest when they killed the API but no one left

There are dozens of us! Dozens!

[–] XiELEd@piefed.social 2 points 8 hours ago

Dozen thousands?

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 15 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

I literally left when they killed the API.

[–] xtr0n@sh.itjust.works 12 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Me too. There are dozens of us! Dozens!

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] phoh@lemmy.ml 8 points 12 hours ago (1 children)
[–] artyom@piefed.social 1 points 8 hours ago
[–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 14 hours ago

I dunno, one of the big reasons that Reddit got big, was Digg shooting themselves in the foot.

[–] aim4harmony@lemmy.world 13 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

How do we know for sure? The site is infested with bots that may create traffic to compensate the activity by the actual human users, who fleed their service. Afaik even spaz confirmed that most of the traffic on Reddit is generated by bots.

More recently, I've seen tons of comments about Proton that seemed like numerous copies of the same idea shared with less than one minute intervals. It detinitely felt suspicious when reading similar ideas time and time again.

[–] artyom@piefed.social 0 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

Because despite what everyone says, bots are still very easy to spot, and aren't capable of creating the type of high quality submissions that keeps users there. And because I talk to people IRL every day that still use it. I'm yet to meet anyone in person who knows what the fediverse is.

[–] ItsComplicated@sh.itjust.works 6 points 12 hours ago

There was a sitewide protest when they killed the API but no one left.

I’m no one important and I left. I think a lot of people are fed up with being monetized at every turn.

If there really are more bots than real people participating as others claim, then the real people are going somewhere. Maybe they will stumble in here.

load more comments (8 replies)
[–] monovergent@lemmy.ml 13 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Looking forward to freeing up a couple more hours of my week!

But seriously, finding search results of use is going to be even more painful.

[–] Zensate@lemmy.world 29 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

You gotta love when a shitty company kills itself

[–] FreudianCafe@lemmy.ml 7 points 16 hours ago

Thrash taking itself out

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] eddanja@lemmy.world 9 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

Why isn't lemmy searchable?

[–] leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 9 hours ago

It is, searchable, isn't it?

At least the app I'm using does have a search function, and it works...

As for search engines, it's searchable there too, there's just no much point in filtering by site because... which site?

Search engines could add a specific “search only on the fediverse” filter, but they're too busy enshittifying themselves and losing money with unprofitable “AI” “search” to do it...

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] RumorsOfLove@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 15 hours ago

Information wants to be free

[–] N0x0n@lemmy.ml 12 points 16 hours ago (5 children)

I guess redlib could use a login cookie with a dumb reddit account ? Less privacy focused but still accesible without all the bload and stupid ads.

[–] communism@lemmy.ml 14 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

It would likely have to have a large pool of accounts and randomly pick one per request, to avoid Reddit noticing a too-high volume of requests from one account.

[–] FineCoatMummy@sh.itjust.works 5 points 14 hours ago

IMO, there might be something to that idea. It would have to be a huge pool, and it would be endless whack a mole as reddit etc get better at detecting automated traffic patterns. The more requests, the bigger the pool has to be.

Reddit is very good at detecting multiple accts using dev fingerprinting, which they could do here too. It might be hard to have a big pool and keep it alive.

In theory, I think it might work. Esp with heavy caching. In practice, IDK. There'd be challenges for sure.

[–] brackled@lemmy.world 13 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I dont think that would work. Not a programmer in the least bit but I'm sure Resist would recognize when a single login cookie is pulling and unreasonably amount of request from the website.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] artyom@piefed.social 8 points 15 hours ago

Thousands of people all browsing the site from the same account? Yeah Reddit would pick up on and ban that in a heartbeat.

[–] nfreak@lemmy.ml 8 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

There's a fork that does exactly this already. It works but yeah it kind of eliminates the point.

[–] FineCoatMummy@sh.itjust.works 5 points 16 hours ago

Yah ... I think it eliminates the point if it requires a per-user login. And if they try to put it all behind a common login, then brackled@lemmy.world's point enters the picture. Reddit will cut it off. Or make it so rate limited to be useless for that.

There might always be some way to get a little data out. But it can become so painful, so limited, to be almost useless.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] waltersf@bookwyr.me -4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

it also contains a huge body of knowledge not found anywhere else […]
only good hits were a reddit thread in a tech sub

so FineCoatMummy, where’s !techtipsfromr@sh.itjust.works? Are you going to let those tips rot? 3-2-1 nothin? Did your online mentors unteach you the first rule of internet browsing?

weird niche info was distributed all over.

wait, so you do know the mirror rule. whe’re your mirrors?

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments
view more: ‹ prev next ›