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[–] megopie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Intel just came out of a floundering period of underinvestment, took on a lot of debt to recapitalize a bunch of stuff and was promised government money to help. Trump withheld money approved under the chips act, until they promised to give him shares in return.

The share prices(20$ in august 2025) was pretty aggressively depressed by the fact that the money had been withheld after Intel had already spent that money on new production lines and recapitalization. It popped up when the government funding finally came through.

Over the past 2 years, they’ve made some pretty impressive increases in revenue, largely from “foundry services” and sales of their chips to data center buildouts(still need CPUs even if all the focus is on memory and GPUs). Foundry services being where they do the manufacturing for a third party who designs and sells the chips (like TSMC does), where in the past Intel has only produced their own designs. Both of these have been helped by all that investment that was costing them so much.

The problem lately has been that they’ve been getting over valued due to datacenter mania (130$ a share at the end of June 2026). Everyone assuming growth on the datacenter side will continue at the same pace… forever. Now everyone’s concluding that maybe, that’s a bit unrealistic, so their share price is dropping (about 60$ a share currently).

Their share price is still 3X what it was 2 years ago, and revenue is up 10 billion as well. A large part of that being the foundry services, not just the datacenter side.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Honestly, how is Intel loss-making and managed so badly by the company despite having top of the line CPU?

[–] tal@lemmy.today 0 points 59 minutes ago (1 children)

CPUs in the sense of serial compute speed haven't really been advancing nearly as quickly for the past 20 years.

https://www.science.org/doi/full/10.1126/science.aam9744?referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fkagi.com%2F

Over the past 50 years, the miniaturization of semiconductor devices has been at the heart of improvements in computer performance, as was foreseen by physicist Richard Feynman in his 1959 address (1) to the American Physical Society, “There’s Plenty of Room at the Bottom.” Intel founder Gordon Moore (2) observed a steady rate of miniaturization and predicted (3) that the number of transistors per computer chip would double every 2 years—a cadence, called Moore’s law, that has held up considerably well until recently. Moreover, until about 2004, new transistors were not only smaller, they were also faster and more energy efficient (4), providing computers with ever more speed and storage capacity. Moore’s law has driven economic progress ubiquitously.

Unfortunately, Feynman’s “room at the bottom” is no longer plentiful. The International Technology Roadmap for Semiconductors [(5), p. 36] foresees an end to miniaturization, and Intel [(6), p. 14], a leader in microprocessor technology, has acknowledged an end to the Moore cadence. Indeed, Intel produced its 14-nm technology in 2014, but it stalled on producing its 10-nm technology, due in 2016, until 2019 (7). Although other manufacturers continued to miniaturize—for example, with the Samsung Exynos 9825 (8) and the Apple A13 Bionic (9)—they also failed to meet the Moore cadence. There isn’t much more room at the bottom.

Why is miniaturization stalling? It’s stalling because of fundamental physical limits—the physics of materials changes at atomic levels—and because of the economics of chip manufacturing. Although semiconductor technology may be able to produce transistors as small as 2 nm (20 Å), as a practical matter, miniaturization may end around 5 nm because of diminishing returns (10). And even if semiconductor technologists can push things a little further, the cost of doing so rises precipitously as we approach atomic scales (11, 12).

Few industries see exponential improvements for decades on end. Intel did very well when everyone needed a new CPU every few years because things had improved so incredibly much.

Today, we mostly have to settle for improvements in parallelism, and software that can leverage really large gains there has tended to take the GPU route—simple hardware, but designed around much more parallelism.

As we shall see, the primary advantage of hardware streamlining comes from providing additional chip area for more circuitry to operate in parallel. Thus, the greatest benefit accrues to applications that have ample parallelism. Indeed, the performance of hardware for applications without much parallelism has already stagnated. But there is plenty of parallelism in many emerging application domains, such as machine learning, graphics, video and image processing, sensory computing, and signal processing. Computer architects should be able to design streamlined architectures to provide increasing performance for these and other domains for many years after Moore’s law ends.

Hardware that is customized for an application domain can be much more streamlined and use many fewer transistors, enabling applications to run tens to hundreds of times faster (46). Perhaps the best example today is the graphics-processing unit (GPU) [(41), section 4.4], which contains many parallel “lanes” with streamlined processors specialized to computer graphics. GPUs deliver much more performance on graphics computations, even though their clocks are slower, because they can exploit much more parallelism. GPU logic integrated into laptop microprocessors grew from 15 to 25% of chip area in 2010 to more than 40% by 2017 (see Methods), which shows the importance of GPU accelerators. Moreover, according to the Top 500 website, which tracks high-performance computing technology, only about 10% of supercomputers that were added to the Top 500 list in the year 2012 contained accelerators (often GPUs), but by 2017, that share had grown to 38% (12). Hennessy and Patterson (45) foresee a move from general-purpose toward domain-specific architectures that run small compute-intensive kernels of larger systems for tasks such as object recognition or speech understanding. The key requirement is that the most expensive computations in the application domain have plenty of parallelism and locality.

Nvidia is a leader in GPUs, and people are willing to pay a lot for new GPUs, because those are still improving rapidly. Intel is a leader in CPUs, and CPUs aren't.

[–] mysticalone@lemmy.world 1 points 1 minute ago

...how do you contradict yourself in your reply then pivot to comparing to nvda? "People" are not paying nvda a lot for GPU. Nvda doesn't consider GPU as a line item anymore. Its about selling accelerators to data centers. Article(from 2020) you reference mentions miniaturization stalling but it only stalled for Intel. TSMC is well ahead Intel, to the point Intel had to ask TSMC to package their chips.

[–] MyOpinion@lemmy.today 3 points 2 hours ago

The government paid $20.47 a share they are still doing fine.

[–] neuracnu@lemmy.blahaj.zone 71 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (2 children)

Boooo; D-tier headline! Variety-bot, gimme somethin' good.

Trump Pump Goes Thump as Chips Stock Hits Rocks

[–] fleem@piefed.zeromedia.vip 0 points 1 hour ago

Leslie knorpe! is that you?!

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 30 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

What was

a $8.9 billion investment in US chipmaker Intel

Is now

the value of the government’s 9.9 percent equity stake crashed from almost $40 billion to well under $30 billion

, still an unrealized 200%+ gain, so I guess the government "bought the dip" in a way. Though why Republicans back their favourite President engaging in casual nationalization still baffles me. Maybe any Democratic president should employ a similar path to nationalization disguised as a bailout: to legislatively constrict the business model of any company they want to acquire at discount "market rates", then restore something along previous regulatory conditions.

[–] megopie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 hours ago

The dip was also largely trumps fault for with holding money that had already been promised to Intel from the chips act, despite Intel having already spent a bunch of their own money on building new production lines.

[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 9 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

It’s to get chip fab in the US. Taiwan is not a stable place for the advanced chips the US and rest of the world rely on.

[–] hendu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Are you saying the US is a stable place for the rest of the world to rely on? We really haven't been for the past decade, at least.

[–] isles@infosec.pub 7 points 4 hours ago

I don't see that claim, just that US is a more stable place for the US to rely on. Whether that's true is debatable though

[–] eicker@lemmy.world 38 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

The stake is still worth far more than taxpayers paid, so calling this an $11 billion taxpayer loss is misleading. But the bigger issue is a president treating industrial policy like his personal trading account. America needs a semiconductor strategy, not a day trader with access to the Treasury.

[–] megopie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 hours ago

Not to mention that he basically was holding the money already promised to Intel from the chips act hostage until they bribed him with shares.

[–] Itwasntme223@discuss.online 0 points 1 hour ago

Everything he touches dies. lol

[–] Kissaki@feddit.org 18 points 6 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 hours ago

Imagine the grin after writing that headline!

[–] Malica@lemmy.zip 19 points 7 hours ago

Morons have been running Intel into the ground for decades, same as the other big tech firms, no amount of money makes up for shitty leadership.

[–] SPRUNTnsfw@fedinsfw.app 7 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Everything he touches turns to shit so quickly I'm starting to think he may actually be one of the apocalyptic horsemen.

Future generations of children are going to learn about King Midas and his golden touch, and his antithesis, President Trump, who destroyed anything he got close to.

[–] Maultasche@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago

The fifth horseman: Bankruptcy

We did what now with our money?