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I was just reading about a violation of the Canadian fisheries act that has a maximum penalty of $200k, and realized the absurdity of there ever being a maximum fine.

There should be no maximum fine on any corporate penalty given that we do not cap the size of corporations or their bank accounts.

It would be like having maximum jail terms of 25 years for immortal beings that can live to 10,000.

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[–] TrackenDaKracken@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

We need to be careful how we allocate power. A judge having the power to single-handedly take down a business is too much.

Power corrupts. Corrupt actions by the powerful you agree with today, can be turned against you tomorrow.

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[–] Ertain@feddit.online 1 points 5 days ago

I agree, there should not be a maximum.

[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works -3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (18 children)

Corporations aren't moral agents, and therefore a fine against a corporation should be intended to compensate for the illicit harm done (adjusted by the probability of getting caught). The compensation necessary does not depend on how much money the corporation has available. In other words, it's like a "you break it, you buy it" policy - you charge as much as the broken thing costs, regardless of how much money the person who broke it happens to have.

Edit: here's another way of thinking about it. A corporation's motivation to break a rule is equal to (expected_profit - fine * chance_of_getting_caught). You want that motivation to be less than the harm breaking the rule does. The size of the corporation isn't a variable in the equation.

[–] then_three_more@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

But the size of the profit will also scale with the size of the company. A small company will have less to invest so the absolute money value they'll take in profit will be less than a huge company. A larger company with more money behind it will have a higher monetary risk threshold too, so the fine needs to reflect that.

Doing the fine by the value of the company isn't perfect, but it is much easier to calculate than trying to determine how much they expected to make.

[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

You don't need to know the profit - it's the corporation's job to estimate that before making a decision. You just need to know the cost of the harm done and the chance that a violator will be caught and fined.

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[–] zarathustrad@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

Fine should be the cost to repair the damage plus a percentage of net worth as a penalty.

Now we open the can of worms to calculate damage for environmental and medical expenses against the propaganda, lobbying, legal and "expert" opinion of giant corporate groups having legal funds larger than some national budgets, and more "speech" aka money that you. But it is a start I guess.

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