No. We need to move towards globalism not back to tribalism.
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Lemmy summarise:
- The far right wants to "normalise" relations with Russia and weaken cooperation within, if not leave the EU, thus emboldening Russian aggression.
- The far left wants to abandon any meaningful deterrence and leave NATO, thus emboldening Russian aggression.
Could it be that both get their talking points from the same source, along with their funding...?
Russia doesn't really care for their ideologies, the only important thing for Russia is that these parties weaken their home nations and destroy European cooperation. Those two things are crucial for them to be able to dominate Europe, as they stand no chance against a united Europe.
Uhm, probably. Both lepen and the far left dude are known to have Russian money connections.
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I'd like to think of myself as pretty far on the left - but this dude is a straight up tankie.
Not just tankie but in denial tankie
This is suicidal considering he is not the favorite in the polls.
it does insist on the need for a diplomatic solution [in Ukraine]
The far-right has the same idea to drop our pants in front of Putin. We are fucked whoever wins I guess.
Absolutely, Russia needs to be kicked out of Ukraine, and we should do what we can to help them. You can interpret that about as far as it can go. Including EU/NATO military presence in Ukraine. We should be there to help them protect their electricity, and with logistics and for medical assistance, but Europe is a bunch at cowards, all talk and not doing the walk.
Is Melenchon right? Is it better for the EU to be the organisation of mutual defence guarantees for Europe, rather than NATO?
That's not what Mélenchon is advocating. The platform chapter on this topic doesn't propose replacing NATO with the EU. The policy described in that chapter is reactionary, not progressive. Mélenchon is old and hasn't really let go of the past. In many ways he's the French version of Jeremy Corbyn.
Indeed. He is almost as much anti-EU as he is anti-NATO, even if I don't know if he stops form demanding leaving the EU as well, or not. He stands for a left nationalist ideology that just makes sure Europe is an easy prey.
leaving NATO is probably a good idea, the US has displayed how unserious it is and can no longer be trusted BUT a better EU solution aligned with Canada etal should be in place first.
but the Ukraine stance is beyond understanding, if France was invaded would they want help from others ? there is no diplomatic solution to a bully, if he takes your lunch money and insists on more, sure ask him to stop but that won't work and he will need a punch in the nose.
Why he have to be a tankie, I'm very left wing and a pacifist but that doesn't mean don't defend yourself, quite the opposite and boots on the ground is the only solution to show Europe is serious about it's own safety, EU troops along the Belarusian border to free up Ukrainian troopps and show solidarity.
That alternative can be.. NATO. If the US flakes out and doesn't support a conflict like an invasion from Russia, the remaining countries can handle it under the existing structure. That also leaves it in place if the US straightens their shit out
There's alot of potential for the US to betray NATO by sharing intelligence and Troop positions/movements with Russia
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I certainly like the sentiment. I don't know about the timing though.
Oh yeah, Putin would absolutely love that, so either the guy is intellectually deficient, or he's paid by Putin. Probably both
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In 10 years? Maybe. Next year? No. NATO is not just US bombs, but logistics, training, communication, theoretical strategy, standards, infrastructure all the boring stuff that makes the collaboration of nations work. The EU can set up something like that, but it takes more time as we basically outsourced it to the US for 80 years.
Leaving and rebuilding would not be cheaper and running an Organisation im parallel would create more friction. Better to take over NATO from inside or turn it into a new Organisation with less us oversight (and funding)
Plus, Canada is in the NATO, not just the US.
Edit: it will also do nothing to fix cost of living and education in France. On the contrary, it will siphon money into the military in France
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As a reminder: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_and_NATO
In 1966, under De Gaulle’s leadership, France withdrew from NATO’s integrated military command. Nevertheless, cooperation agreements between French and NATO forces were quickly signed, reducing the practical impact of this withdrawal. This cooperation was reinforced under Presidents François Mitterrand and Jacques Chirac, and in 2009, President Nicolas Sarkozy reinstated France into NATO’s unified command.
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For christ sake, why are people so stupid? Are they pro Putin too? Then they can join the far right in sucking his dick.
Except I kind of agree, but not until we have an alternative, maybe throw out USA?
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Russian traitors left and right. Ukraine can't destroy that permafrost swamp fast enough