Why is brave even an option. Avoid that at all costs.
Privacy
A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.
Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.
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- If you have a question, please try searching for previous discussions, maybe it has already been answered
- Reposts are fine, but should have at least a couple of weeks in between so that the post can reach a new audience
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Daily reminder that the majority of alternative search engines get their upstream results from Bing or Google. As part of their agreements with Microsoft and Google, they may share some information with them. This is not a secret or anything; you can read it all in their terms of service.
Also a reminder that most of these search engines are black boxes. They're all closed source and all we have is their "just trust us" promises of privacy and security and none of them have been audited by trusted third parties as far as I am aware. At this point, just use the one that most closely aligns with your personal values and ethics.
“Just trust us,” on the promises of privacy is pusing it, they are all openly sellling your information.
I’ve been using DDG as my default for probably longer than I ever used Google, so I’ll share my thoughts on it
What I like:
- Nice UI with plenty of options
- Optional AI features
- Great image search with tons of filters and an AI slop blocker that works reasonably well
What I don’t like:
- Localized results are not good (Startpage might be better for those)
- No LLM search API, so I use Brave API for that
They’ve had controversies in the past, but I’ve not heard of any in recent years tbh
AI slop blocker
How does this work? I mean how decides it is Ai slop or not?
Known sources, digital watermarks, and user-contributed reporting.
I see. Well that makes sense and is indeed useful then.
Note, I have only seen filters for the image search. But there's definitely a lot of slop among the images even though you select to exclude slop. There's just so much slop out there I guess.
I view this comparable to an ad-blocker extension in the browser. It doesn't block all ads, but it does a decent job that the result is usable. Maybe that is the effect, maybe less. As long as they do not heuristic decision and only go about known stuff, then I'm all for it. My first thought was "oh they fight ai with ai", but that is not the case as it seems. But it depends on the sources for that filter. If they use Ai to detect, then I'm not a big fan of the filter.
Indeed. Note also that I'm only certain about the user reporting, as I've done some reporting of my own. I stopped after a while though. There's so much that it feels futile.
But, the other ways of determining should be possible too.
SearXNG is a little tricky to set up, but worthwhile. If you're lazy, I trust DDG over Brave any day of the week.
I went from the Google to Ecosia and then searXNG. I guess I left ecosia before they went on the big AI trip.
DDG has a no ai version which is what I use.
It also has a lite version - https://lite.duckduckgo.com/lite
Or the HTML version which I think looks nicer. https://html.duckduckgo.com/html/
Or the HTML version
Thanks for this! HTML version is clean af
If you do any self-hosting, hosting your own instance of SearXNG is a much better way to go. No AI and you actually get results for what you search for. It pulls results from all the other search engines and you can choose which engines you want in settings, and it masks your IP so the other search engines don't see where the requests actually come from. But even if you don't self-host, SearXNG is just a much better privacy respecting search engine anyway.
There is a new Linux distro that includes hardened Zen browser and a tool to set up SearXNG locally. There is also an option to have the searches run through three TOR relays. It makes it all super easy to setup if you’re not someone who is self-hosting other services.
Hmmmm, interesting. What is the name of this distro, if you don't mind me asking.
I stopped using DDG because it kept steering me to articles that were rehosted with paywalls by MSN instead of the actual source of the content.
I use Brave mostly, because they at least pretend to be private, and I actually get some decent results.
Unsurprisingly the best results come from Kagi, the paid service, primarily because they let you cater the results to your preferences. You can blacklist certain sites, prefer others, and even search the "small web" for blogs and such from smaller creators, and the Fediverse at large.
Why pay for some company to watch over you and your searchs? If you want real private searching it comes down to searXNG!
Agreed, hosting is probably the most private web search we have. Only your IP address is still sent to the actual search engines searXNG calls. Using a VPN would solve this last bit too.
An extreme alternative would also be Tor.
Kagi in general, and if I feel extra strongly about privacy, I use Privacy Pass mode which is cryptographically guaranteed private.
I use qwant, mainly because its european. The quality is not that good imo, but its ok for my usage
Same, cause its European and it also is building its own independent index!
Yes. But it's the only one, who refuses to work if you try to use it without JavaScript. So ddg for me + canvasblocker on firefox / brave browser which also blocks your fingerprint. (But since brave is a an AI and crypto company, i must say... Trust is not what i have a lot of)
I use mainly Startpage and Mojeek, sometimes Ecosia and Qwant. Not so for privacy, but by far the best for image search is Yandex (yes, I know). But anyway there is always needed to use several search engines + specific page searches for an deeper research. Respect privacy there are only few conditions, the search engine don't log your searches (avoiding filter bubble), don't use AI of big corps, no SEO crap and don't use tracking cookies, given in most engines except Google, Bing and Yahoo. Privacy isn't a main problem in other engines as these and finish when you visit the searched page, where the protection from any search engine finish if you do it without proxy or VPN.
