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Hi everyone,

I’m choosing a default search engine and I’m torn between DuckDuckGo and Brave Search. What matters most to me:

Privacy: what’s actually logged, and can the claims be trusted? Independence from Big Tech: DDG partly relies on Bing, while Brave has its own index. Result quality: relevance for daily, technical and niche queries. Trust: track record, controversies, business model.

Which one do you use daily, and why? Have you noticed a real quality difference? Thanks!

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[–] NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 day ago

Why is brave even an option. Avoid that at all costs.

[–] TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.ca 55 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Daily reminder that the majority of alternative search engines get their upstream results from Bing or Google. As part of their agreements with Microsoft and Google, they may share some information with them. This is not a secret or anything; you can read it all in their terms of service.

Also a reminder that most of these search engines are black boxes. They're all closed source and all we have is their "just trust us" promises of privacy and security and none of them have been audited by trusted third parties as far as I am aware. At this point, just use the one that most closely aligns with your personal values and ethics.

[–] Reannlegge@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 days ago

“Just trust us,” on the promises of privacy is pusing it, they are all openly sellling your information.

[–] ComradePedro@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I’ve been using DDG as my default for probably longer than I ever used Google, so I’ll share my thoughts on it

What I like:

  • Nice UI with plenty of options
  • Optional AI features
  • Great image search with tons of filters and an AI slop blocker that works reasonably well

What I don’t like:

  • Localized results are not good (Startpage might be better for those)
  • No LLM search API, so I use Brave API for that

They’ve had controversies in the past, but I’ve not heard of any in recent years tbh

[–] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

AI slop blocker

How does this work? I mean how decides it is Ai slop or not?

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Known sources, digital watermarks, and user-contributed reporting.

[–] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I see. Well that makes sense and is indeed useful then.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Note, I have only seen filters for the image search. But there's definitely a lot of slop among the images even though you select to exclude slop. There's just so much slop out there I guess.

[–] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I view this comparable to an ad-blocker extension in the browser. It doesn't block all ads, but it does a decent job that the result is usable. Maybe that is the effect, maybe less. As long as they do not heuristic decision and only go about known stuff, then I'm all for it. My first thought was "oh they fight ai with ai", but that is not the case as it seems. But it depends on the sources for that filter. If they use Ai to detect, then I'm not a big fan of the filter.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Indeed. Note also that I'm only certain about the user reporting, as I've done some reporting of my own. I stopped after a while though. There's so much that it feels futile.

But, the other ways of determining should be possible too.

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[–] GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

SearXNG is a little tricky to set up, but worthwhile. If you're lazy, I trust DDG over Brave any day of the week.

[–] Reannlegge@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

I went from the Google to Ecosia and then searXNG. I guess I left ecosia before they went on the big AI trip.

[–] RodgeGrabTheCat@lemmy.ca 36 points 2 days ago (1 children)

DDG has a no ai version which is what I use.

https://noai.duckduckgo.com/

[–] doodeux@scribe.disroot.org 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] Neptr@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 2 days ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (2 children)

Or the HTML version

Thanks for this! HTML version is clean af

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[–] ItsNotImportant24@lemmy.ml 31 points 2 days ago (20 children)

If you do any self-hosting, hosting your own instance of SearXNG is a much better way to go. No AI and you actually get results for what you search for. It pulls results from all the other search engines and you can choose which engines you want in settings, and it masks your IP so the other search engines don't see where the requests actually come from. But even if you don't self-host, SearXNG is just a much better privacy respecting search engine anyway.

[–] mrnngglry@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

There is a new Linux distro that includes hardened Zen browser and a tool to set up SearXNG locally. There is also an option to have the searches run through three TOR relays. It makes it all super easy to setup if you’re not someone who is self-hosting other services.

[–] ItsNotImportant24@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Hmmmm, interesting. What is the name of this distro, if you don't mind me asking.

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[–] artyom@piefed.social 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I stopped using DDG because it kept steering me to articles that were rehosted with paywalls by MSN instead of the actual source of the content.

I use Brave mostly, because they at least pretend to be private, and I actually get some decent results.

Unsurprisingly the best results come from Kagi, the paid service, primarily because they let you cater the results to your preferences. You can blacklist certain sites, prefer others, and even search the "small web" for blogs and such from smaller creators, and the Fediverse at large.

[–] Reannlegge@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Why pay for some company to watch over you and your searchs? If you want real private searching it comes down to searXNG!

[–] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Agreed, hosting is probably the most private web search we have. Only your IP address is still sent to the actual search engines searXNG calls. Using a VPN would solve this last bit too.

An extreme alternative would also be Tor.

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Kagi in general, and if I feel extra strongly about privacy, I use Privacy Pass mode which is cryptographically guaranteed private.

[–] tales_origin@feddit.org 22 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I use qwant, mainly because its european. The quality is not that good imo, but its ok for my usage

[–] CarlSagan42@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Same, cause its European and it also is building its own independent index!

[–] Ohh@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago

Yes. But it's the only one, who refuses to work if you try to use it without JavaScript. So ddg for me + canvasblocker on firefox / brave browser which also blocks your fingerprint. (But since brave is a an AI and crypto company, i must say... Trust is not what i have a lot of)

[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I use mainly Startpage and Mojeek, sometimes Ecosia and Qwant. Not so for privacy, but by far the best for image search is Yandex (yes, I know). But anyway there is always needed to use several search engines + specific page searches for an deeper research. Respect privacy there are only few conditions, the search engine don't log your searches (avoiding filter bubble), don't use AI of big corps, no SEO crap and don't use tracking cookies, given in most engines except Google, Bing and Yahoo. Privacy isn't a main problem in other engines as these and finish when you visit the searched page, where the protection from any search engine finish if you do it without proxy or VPN.

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