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One reason, maybe not the only one, could be that they’re being told it’s all lies or in any case untrustworthy reports, or hugely exaggerated. I’ve seen many examples of this.
yeah a nation of mostly Zionists would think that, wouldn't they?
A nation of mostly fascists. Zionism is about the creation of a religious nationalist ethnostate through genocide.
It's pure unbridled fascism, and Israelis have been indoctrinated to believe it's okay when they do it since birth, as has a significant proportion of the Jewish diaspora. That's why the genocide continues, and why Israel is the most dangerous threat to Jewish people since Nazism.
Not quite. Zionism is about creating a secular nationalist ethnostate through genocide, with religious dressing simply as a way to get more religious Jews on board. It's no coincidence that early Zionist leaders were all unapologetically atheist.
That's not true. Zionism originates from the Jewish scriptures. Basically, Judaism talks about how Jews were promised by God, via the scriptures and the old prophets, the land of Israel as a homeland. It is the duty of Jews to resettle the holy land and establish a theological society that is based on the divine laws and systems laid out in the Torah. By doing so, Jews would achieve salvation for themselves, and eventually for the rest of the world. This global salvation will be marked by global harmony and the coming of the messiah who will guide the world in the path of God.
Virtually all Jews agree that Israel is their homeland and that they will eventually reclaim the holy land and settle it in a way that would bring salvation as they await the coming of the Messiah. Traditionally Zionism was seen as something that is out of human control and is entirely up to God's will. Essentially Jews will go back to Israel when God wills it and people have no say in the matter, any attempt by humans to accelerate the salvation is seen as blasphemous as it's an act of rebellion against God's will.
That's when modern Zionism split. Modern Zionists believe that political and secular Zionism is a tool given by God to enact his divine plan and to initiate the return of Jews back the land of Israel. Therefore following this type of Zionism is actually following God's will and it's the duty of religious Jews to pursue it.
Obviously, there's a great deal of debate among Jews about which theological branch is correct, but either way, the origins of Zionism aren't purely secular or nationalist.
I think there’s been a pretty significant divergence from the original Zionist leaders to modern day Zionism. The seeds were there, obviously, but things have deteriorated even further in the past few decades.
Source on genocide being included in Zionism theory?
Technically it's not explicitly about genocide, but here's the big guy on the topic:
As to al-Khalidi concerns about the non-Jewish majority population of Palestine, Herzl replied rhetorically: "who would think of sending them away?"
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor_Herzl
Again, this isn't technically a genocidal idea in and of its own (though still crime against humanity stuff), but implementing it would inevitably wade pretty deep into genocide territory, as seen in the Nakba.
Dehumanization of the enemy is part of what enables genocidal actions.
Yes, poll after poll has shown this. Israelis by and large are behind the genocide. They're okay with it they approve of it and they like it. They're not being forced to murder an entire people. They're gleeful about it.
They've been conditioned over the decades to consider them to be subhuman. I'm not saying that they are innocent, just that this is what they believe. Their propaganda is so effective that they no longer feel remorse for killing them as they see them as savages or monsters. In fact, they see themselves as the heroes of the story. And with every western country backing them up and giving them more weapons, what else would they think?
Israel is a extremely racist nation and Palestinians are just "human animals" and even "vermin" to most Israelis.
When I went to Israel last time I was genuinely surprised how many zealots there are. Most Israelis you meet outside of the country are just normal people but Israel itself is still full of mentally deranged. Religion is a hell of a drug.
Rephrase the question, "Do you fear the consequences of facing trials after the war, similar to how the nazi enablers did?"
That fear depends on a real threat of someone holding them accountable and being able to bring them to trial. Which country or countries would be willing and able to do this? The Nazis were unafraid until defeat started to loom as a real prospect.
The chances of that happening are pretty much nil. Not as long as the US keeps supporting them and even if they stop supporting tjem, Israel has nukes.
The only way it could happen is if there was a push for accountability from the population of Israel but polls like this shows that's not gonna happen either as the population supports this.
Dehumanisation succesful.
They’re inundated with propaganda (like we all are), and they can’t face the fact that their own government is committing such horrors. Plus, they just don’t want to think critically about the situation.
None of that excuses them, but simply writing them off as “evil” doesn’t help.
Writing them off as evil might not help, but understanding that they're fascists certainly does. You can't have peace with fascists until they're thoroughly beat down.
No, they probably even enjoy those reports.
Rotten from the roots up
Yes they're demons. We know.
Don't call fascists demons. They're people. Any people can go fascist when the circumstances are right. This "fascists are demons, not reasonable people like us" attitude breeds complacency and an unwillingness to look directly at what fascism is and how it arises and functions, and that's part of the reason fascism has come back to bite us hard.
Very smerprising indeed.
Smerprising?
I'm supposed to be pronouncing the word "surprising" weird as a marker of sarcasm, but yeah this probably doesn't make as much sense as I think it does.
PS: Non-native speaker here.
I'm picking up what you're putting down, don't worry.
Oh, I get it! I thought it was a pun at first; thank you for clarifying!
Na, und?