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[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 49 points 6 days ago

Knowledge based fields were historically a “safe space” for queer and disabled people. If you are just super fucking smart and could be a wizard in a programming language, or were a genius physicist, you could get to the point where you were too valuable to fire for being trans or disabled. I may be trans and an unperson in the place I live, but I can do calculus, and there’s no way they can take that away from me.

There’s an attack on knowledge itself going on right now. A desire by the rich to control information. They want to force us into an unreality where skill and knowledge are meaningless. This hurts people who are socially marginalized, because it takes away one of our few paths for economic survival.

It goes with the attacks on DEI. What they want is a tool that can replace the need for talent, so that they can select who gets to have jobs. They want all jobs to be Graeber’s “bullshit jobs” so that skill is meaningless and they can allot them out to the people they think “deserve” them.

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 31 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Opposed people, or today who know what it's like to be oppressed, are more likely to recognize oppression.

AI is going to fuck us all at this rate. It's already begun. People are losing their jobs.

Losing jobs is just the tip of the iceberg, individualized, friendly mass manipulation is where the shit hits the fan in a whole new way

[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 33 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Man between this and the "AI vegan" bullshit article, they really want to get ahead on crushing any thought that AI is bad. At least by easily manipulated groups.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 13 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Like the kind of person that thinks vegans and trans = easily manipulated, because they'll never consider the point might be manipulating their own biases against those groups.

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I think it’s also in an effort to other those who are against AI as it’s being done rn

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[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

Yes exactly. They are manipulating the "unwashed masses" that think anything different from them is bad. Bro Jogan die hards etc.

[–] archchan@lemmy.ml 53 points 6 days ago (1 children)

In the words of Miyazaki:

Whoever creates this stuff has no idea what pain is whatsoever. I am utterly disgusted. If you really want to make creepy stuff, you can go ahead and do it. I would never wish to incorporate this technology into my work at all. I strongly feel that this is an insult to life itself.

[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 6 days ago

It's mathematically an insult to life itself. It changes evolution in human societies to reduce dissent and diversity of thought. And evolution is important in the sense that to stay on one place you have to run very fast.

So it's sort of a tool for regress. Honestly - similar to the Web itself. It was intended as a hypertext system for scientists. For social interaction there were e-mail and e-news.

I'm thinking - I thought always that Sun is a very cool company, but at the same time they are also the ones who've popularized this messy understanding of the future in which, with some commercial adjustments by today's big tech, we still live. And that understanding was highly centralist, sort of a digital empire.

[–] svcg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 64 points 6 days ago (5 children)

Roughly 50% of transgender and/or non-binary people are software developers and roughly 50% are furry artists, so it makes sense we would be more wary of AI.

I use arch, btw.

[–] Sasha@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Trans nonby software dev who dated a furry artist, my disdain for AI knows no limits.

I use Nobara, btw. (Is Arch good I've never looked into it)

[–] Rodancoci@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It can be a tiny bit involved to install but if you know your way around Linux already it's perfectly doable. The arch wiki is a great reference for MANY things and it has a dedicated page with installation instructions.

I like that it's lightweight because it comes with the bare minimum for a working Linux install and everything on top of that must be explicitly installed by you. I also love pacman (the package manager). It's never borked anything for me and I've yet to be dropped into a dependency hell in 6+ years of using it.

[–] dropped_packet@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 days ago

I got in a dependency loop one time. It was my own damn fault 😂

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[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 18 points 5 days ago

That's because they're all on lemmy

[–] Bane_Killgrind@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 6 days ago

outliers badly served by advanced averaging machine

Who knew

[–] thedruid@lemmy.world 25 points 6 days ago (1 children)

What kinda bullshit narrative is this?

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

One that divides people in lower tax brackets

[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 37 points 6 days ago

These findings are consistent with a growing body of research showing how AI systems often misclassifyperpetuate discrimination toward or otherwise harmtrans and disabled people. In particular, identities that defy categorization clash with AI systems that are inherently designed to reduce complexity into rigid categories. In doing so, AI systems simplify identities and can replicate and reinforce bias and discrimination – and people notice.

Makes sense.

These systems exist to sand off the rough edges of real life artifacts and interactions, and these are people who’ve spent their whole lives being treated like an imperfection that just needs to be smoothed out.

Why would you not be wary?

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 5 days ago

Sounds like confirmarion bias.
I'd like to know the industry sector they are working in.
I'd say a high amount of them work in Tech and IT.

[–] Psythik@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Well that explains a lot about Lemmy's strong dislike for AI with a burning passion.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 13 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

AI is the new crypto by the ceos and c-suites, sorry but theres no market for it for a regular customer base, and they admitted its costing them alot more money using AI than actually saving or even profitting from it. its actually no wonder the people who fall for AI /crypto are mostly conservatives.

[–] Honytawk@feddit.nl 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

It has a market for a regular customer base. But they try to shove it down everything just to see what sticks, and most of those things are useless at best or actively making the product worse.

[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 6 days ago

who fall for AI /crypto are mostly conservatives

Let's separate these two things.

The latter does work well enough to be used by a kind of people. That it's not the new revolution is fine. I've recently looked through NOSTR NIPs and they make a huge thing out of functionality for sending "zaps", and you know why? Because payments mean possibility to send universal value for some subjective value. It's a difference in efficiency between barter and money almost.

I can't be proud of it, because, despite sharing libertarian ideas, I was highly skeptical of such systems. One can say I was gaslighted into considering it all having become a scam.

So - NOSTR looks like something that will work. Its standards involve a lot of different functionality, so clients usually decide to implement only part of it - some like Reddit\Lemmy communities, some like Telegram group chats, and so on (it kinda seems to even out with time, Amethyst has recently got group chats, for example). And thus it often seems devoid of life for new people. But it's already big enough for the search results to not seem particularly right-wing skewed.

So - I've noticed that people very often send these "zaps". It's normal to tip stuff in NOSTR. Already.

It's a long-term advantage, but that system in its architecture is far better than Fediverse, that's what I mean.

And honestly it's not unheard of for left-wing technical projects to use good tooling and competent people and appear impressive, but long-term lose to right-wing technical projects which use some tooling and some people and don't appear too cool, but are more applicable socially.

I really feel like trying to write a NOSTR client, LOL.

[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago

Oppressed people don't like the walled garden information tools made and profited from by the people using them as a scapegoat distraction for their fleecing of society?

[–] Bebopalouie@lemmy.ca 12 points 6 days ago

Smart bunch it would seem.

Fuck AI

[–] Electricd@lemmybefree.net 6 points 6 days ago

Disabled, vehemently anti-AI enby here. The only thing I'm good at professionally is being a great big brain, so taking knowledge work away from me makes me angry.

[–] Curious_Canid@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Actual computer scientists should also be included with those groups.

[–] NoodlePoint@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

Because some are artisans and see that their work is being pillaged for AI "training".

[–] vane@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

Maybe only those are worthy to survive this technology addiction disease.

[–] Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 days ago

I'm none of those however I believe they are right to view it negatively. The rest of us should be just a wary.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

I think a lot of women feel this way too

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