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[–] Electricd@lemmybefree.net 28 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I don't like cloudflare but it's nice that they allow people to stop AI scrapping if they want to

[–] tempest@lemmy.ca 19 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

CloudFlare has become an Internet protection racket and I'm not happy about it.

[–] Laser@feddit.org 14 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

It's been this from the very beginning. But they don't fit the definition of a protection racket as they're not the ones attacking you if you don't pay up. So they're more like a security company that has no competitors due to the needed investment to operate.

[–] A1kmm@lemmy.amxl.com 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Cloudflare are notorious for shielding cybercrime sites. You can't even complain about abuse of Cloudflare about them, they'll just forward on your abuse complaint to the likely dodgy host of the cybercrime site. They don't even have a channel to complain to them about network abuse of their DNS services.

So they certainly are an enabler of the cybercriminals they purport to protect people from.

[–] Laser@feddit.org 1 points 3 minutes ago

If they acted differently, they'd probably be liable for illegal activity that they proxy for (this is for example relevant for the DMCA safe harbor).

Anyhow, when on their abuse page, I have an option for "Registrar", which is used for "DNS abuse", among others.

[–] Electricd@lemmybefree.net 4 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

they're good at protecting websites but damn, having a company being MITM feels so wrong

[–] bathing_in_bismuth@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

The shit they know. Plus their support for non-JS users or For are pure shite

[–] iamdefinitelyoverthirteen@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Yeah, a few sites outright refuse to work because cloudflare just poops. EDIT: It was supposed to say "loops", but I'm keeping it.

[–] Amberskin@europe.pub 59 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Uh, are they admitting they are trying to circumvent technological protections setup to restrict access to a system?

Isn’t that a literal computer crime?

[–] dinckelman@lemmy.world 35 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

No-no, see. When an AI-first company does it, it's actually called courageous innovation. Crimes are for poor people

[–] silicon@lemmy.world 9 points 16 hours ago

See: Facebook/Meta

[–] utopiah@lemmy.world 15 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

puts on evil hat CloudFlare should DRM their protection then DMCA Perplexity and other US based "AI" companies to oblivion. Side effect, might break the Internet.

The Internet was already ruined, cloudflare is just bandaids on top of band aids.

[–] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 5 points 19 hours ago
[–] Jimmycrackcrack@lemmy.ml 5 points 18 hours ago

Gee that's a real removed it ain't it perplexity?

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Can't believe I've lived to see Cloudflare be the good guys

[–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Lesser of two bad guys maybe?

[–] sunbeam60@lemmy.ml 8 points 14 hours ago

They’re not. They’re using this as an excuse to become paid gatekeepers of the internet as we know it. All that’s happening is that Cloudflare is using this to menuever into position where they can say “nice traffic you’ve got there - would be a shame if something happened to it”.

AI companies are crap.

What Cloudflare is doing here is also crap.

And we’re cheering it on.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

they cant get their ai to check a box that says "I am not a robot"? I'd think thatd be a first year comp sci student level task. And robots.txt files were basically always voluntary compliance anyway.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 15 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Cloudflare actually fully fingerprints your browser and even sells that data. Thats your IP, TLS, operating system, full browser environment, installed extensions, GPU capabilities etc. It's all tracked before the box even shows up, in fact the box is there to give the runtime more time to fingerprint you.

[–] tempest@lemmy.ca 4 points 16 hours ago

Yeah and the worst part is it doesn't fucking work for the one thing it's supposed to do.

The only thing it does is stop the stupidest low effort scrapers and forces the good ones to use a browser.

[–] 5gruel@lemmy.world 5 points 20 hours ago

Recaptcha v2 does way more than check if the box was checked.

https://stackoverflow.com/a/27299487

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