- because family requested to end it, not because of problems
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What was their reasoning? As I understand many such experiments are conducted on de facto dead people: they have a dead brain, but other organs are mostly intact and working.
The family reasoning? Probably just wanted for the patient to have peace or something along that. Imagine that they'd experiment on a (brain dead) person you care a lot.
I would be honored to both participate in this myself and see my wife/kid help humanity so much instead of simply existing as a thing that has the shape etc. of a person but non of it's defining characteristics.
If it does actually happen to you. There will be a thought in your head that that person is still there somewhere and is potentially suffering. Your scientific reasoning and your "good for humanity" will likely not even cross your mind.
All you'll see is someone you love laying on a bed and not able to function. You won't choose the experimental lung because you want to help humanity. You'll do it because even if the doctors say "it will not bring them back" you are desperate for any hope of talking to them again or just seeing their eyes open so you can say goodbye.
The family likely ended it to relieve their own emotional suffering with a false sense of hope. Along with the fear that what they were doing was prolonging the suffering of someone they loved very much.
Interesting that you want to know me better than myself. You are wrong in both that assumption and how/when I (don't) think rational.
Why did you unloaded this purely statistical assumption here anyway?
What a robotic response to someone trying to explain love and losing a loved one to you.
I'm not talking to someone that can't understand empathy. Good luck with that.
I'm a survivor of my beloved who has died twice:
- Once when she had an asthma induced heart attack and her brain was without fresh oxygen for fifteen minutes. Her brain turned into complete mush, while retaining some minuscule bodily functions like breathing, defecation, pupilary reflex. "Persistent vegetative state" used to be the less apt description for it.
- Second time after she has succumbed to pneumonia while in hospice. Her mother, the only next of kin with sway over her fate, a religious nut job, kept her alive for four years.
Where I am trying to go with this is that false hope and selfishness is bad, and if I had the choice, nay SAY back then between keeping her alive or having lungs transplanted into her as an experiment that may establish the procedure to save someone's life in the future, I'd have chosen the experiment every time.
I did not have a say in ending her absolutely pointless continued existence though. And she warned me about her mother's selfishness and narcissism many times before her person as I knew her ceased to exist.
My point is that love is very much often a selfish act, as opposed to compassion, empathy or altruism. And people often make the wrong choices out of selfishness.
Thanks for sharing. And you are absolutely right about love being irrational and at times selfish. My experience of this was somewhat similar. At least in terms of the selfish and irrational love my mom had.
My dad was diagnosed with Lewy Body Dementia (similar to Alzheimer's) and my mom was in denial for far to long about it. Basically preventing getting him any help early on or even a diagnosis. Very religious and trusting that God would do something.
I don't even know when it was that I "lost" him. I don't remember much from that time as I suppressed the memory of those years I was in college. Visiting home and finding out a new piece of him was gone. The last real conversation I remember he asked me "do you hate me?"
He had been asking me if I checked the tire pressure in my car. Whatever was left of him was hyper-focused on worry. He had asked me about 100 times that day. I don't even know what I said to get him to ask me if I hated him. I don't remember. I just remember his face so confused.
I know I told him I loved him. Gave him a hug. But I think that was the last time any form of conversation was possible. So when I walked out the door that day and drove to class is when he "died" to me.
I'm sorry for your loss and can understand that feeling of having no control as you see a person you loved alive but already gone.
Thank you
Every day I fear we get closer to seeing ManBearPig.
Can we talk about how cute the pigs in the thumbnail are