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[–] Creat@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 18 hours ago (11 children)

Having your own collection is great. But it doesn't provide the service Spotify does (or any streaming service). 80% of the time I listen to discovery-type generated playlists. I want to find new music. This is fundamentally impossible with the music I own. This is something you can't self host. Even if you have a vast collection of music you don't know (by whatever means your get it), you still need the algorithms to pick the music that you're likely to like.

I really wish I could. I self host basically everything else. Even tried some local music similarity training for "smart playlists". It's kinda neat at best, but no where remotely close to the music discovery of Spotify and other online services. You need the massive amounts of users to derive that data.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago

I want to find new music. This is fundamentally impossible with the music I own.

You can simply visit the artist page on lastfm and see related artists . On Bandcamp when i buy an album i want visit the profile on the people who buy the same item . There is really many way to discover artists without spotify when you think about it

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 10 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Setup Lidarr, and subscribe to lists for curated content. Pretty sure you can even subscribe to Spotify lists for it to auto download. But finding people who make lists recommending new stuff you like is probably the best route to go.

[–] ngdev@lemmy.zip 3 points 13 hours ago

yep i added a lidarr list for top 100 x genre songs and i think it updates every week. you can make it pull just the album that has the song or the artist's discography. im slowly getting a ton of music I'll never listen to just like spotify

[–] clmbmb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 17 hours ago (6 children)

Call me old, but people should learn to discover music in different ways (friends, press, concerts, etc.) and not wait to be fed by corporations... just a thought.

Hey what's wrong with silently listening to new releases at the record shop.

Best memories growing up we're going to a&b sound and playing Dreamcast while my parents listened to the CDs setup around the store for demos.

I remember places having rows of stations so a bunch of people could listen to new releases at the same time.

Digital music is great but something to be said about having to actually curate your own experience

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

It is a lot more fun to discover artists yourself. Browsing a list of album covers and enjoy them, read short description of the album and artist then listen to the music. You also feel the send of fulfillement becausw the process becomes a personal adventure rather than a passive experience

[–] Creat@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

As I said in my other reply, different people like different things. I don't want an adventure. I want the passive experience. I do other things while listening to music (work, read, tinker, ...). I almost always have some music playing, but rarely do I just listen to music (it does happen though). I'll pick styles depending on mood or task, it's like the rails that keep me on track while working (as an example). If I'm not listening to music, I lose focus.

I simply can't do that with an article or other medium that requires my primary attention. I don't feel a sense of fulfillment either, but increasingly annoyed that reading this thing about music is taking more and more time. Believe me when I tell you, it's not for me.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I am just expressing the other perspective. Not telling you to have the same

[–] Creat@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 3 hours ago

I also get that, that's why I up-voted every reply from you. I actually love seeing such completely different perceptions of the same situation. And I also just want to explain my reasoning and how I got there. Which is why my replies tend to be so long.

[–] kittyjynx@lemmy.world 10 points 17 hours ago

I like 1990's Japanese ska punk and I had hit a wall finding new bands since there isn't a huge English language community for that stuff. With spotify I found ten new bands the first day. I do try to find a way to own the music I like through Bandcamp or through the Amazon MP3 store but I don't know of another way to discover new music as efficiently.

[–] Creat@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

See my other reply to tofu. Not the same thing. You just couldn't do what these services do even 2 decades ago. You could discover things, but at a very different pace and very different reach. You're limited to discover what friends know from them. Discovering things via "press" isn't free either, it takes time to read the articles, buy the magazines (do they still exists?) and you're likely to only hear about popular things. You also need to find publications that suit your own taste, or learn which authors are compatible with it.

As for concerts you can only go to those that are near you, which is either local artists or those big enough to tour away from their home base. There are artists that don't tour at all (probably a third of my catalog falls into this category).

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Discovering things via “press” isn’t free either, it takes time to read the articles, buy the magazines

I don't know about you but this is so fun for me it bring me joy and fulfillment as opposed to being fed by algorithm

[–] Creat@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

It's the opposite for me. I don't want to read about music. I just want to listen to music that I don't know yet but am likely to like. I don't want to dig around for it. The algorithms you dislike do something that no article or podcast can: give me personally tailored recommendations. She not in an abstract way but just as a playlist.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

An algorithm has zero concept of artistic quality . I also want to always extends my taste and not the opposite

[–] Creat@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I'm aware it has no concept of artistic quality. But I also don't care about the quality of music, especially if perceived by some journalist. I only care if I like music. Some of it is intricately composed, masterfully performed. Some is pop, or generic/simple house.

I have discovered entire genres with the algorithms you seem to think only give narrowing recommendations. Some people probably listened to those and something I liked.

Let me repeat again: I have discovered many, many artists for me that I literally would have no realistic chance of every hearing about in any other way. Ever!

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

I'm aware it has no concept of artistic quality. But I also don't care about the quality of music, especially if perceived by some journalist. I only care if I like music. Some of it is intricately composed, masterfully performed. Some is pop, or generic/simple house.

The concept of artistic quality is simply subjective. I don't think intricately composed music or complex music make a song artistically better. To me a quality song artistically song is simply and enjoyable and impactful song. My definition of impactful is wide too it make me a song with really serious subject matter or simply a funny simple song that could me feel better mentally .

While i enjoy an journalist talking about a song and album it doesn't mean i will trust his opinion but i prefer that than an non human telling me what it think is music i would enjoy. Someone may talk negatively about a music and explain why he hate it and i may find the think he hated is what will make me enjoy the song he dislike

I have discovered entire genres with the algorithms you seem to think only give narrowing recommendations. Some people probably listened to those and something I liked.

I read Bandcamp daily to know about some obscure genre . It is again just my preference, i will always prefer human recommendation

Let me repeat again: I have discovered many, many artists for me that I literally would have no realistic chance of every hearing about in any other way. Ever!

Same but without relying on an algorithm

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[–] tofu@lemmy.nocturnal.garden 12 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I guess that's where the ListenBrainz/Last.fm part comes in (which is mentioned in the article).

I still get music recommendations via friends, concert/festival lineups and online forums, but that's just for my "main" genres. For other stuff, Spotify is quasi the only solution for me as well.

[–] Creat@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

Friends don't work for me. I don't know a single person who listens to even close to the things that I like. Sure there's some overlap occasionally, and I might hear about one artist once a week or month. I get dozens to hundreds recommended by spotify weekly, and I actually end up liking a handful of those. With friends, it also only works with known artists, and it's incredibly rare to get reommended something that isn't well known but happens to fit my taste by them (don't think that ever happened, actually). As an example just last week I got recommended an artist that has 60-something monthly listeners on Spotify (now 74!). I liked them so much I tried to see what I can find, and they got a youtube channel with 3 (live) videos and like 500-ish views each (38 subscribers). NOBODY is ever gonna recommend me those kinds of things, cause nobody ever heard of them, let alone anyone of my friends (and even if they have, they'd have to know to recommend them to me).

As for the listenbrainz/last.fm that is kind of a solution, but it takes a very long time to train up your profile to actually be useful. I haven't used it in a VERY long time (decades), but last I did it was kinda "meh". You can also only start out with what you have, as you're scrobbling what you're listenting to. I no longer have most of the music I listen to daily as an actual file/library. So getting that up to date would probably cost thousands of dollars, too. Not to mention it being incredibly tedious to actually gather them on various individual shops and sites like bandcamp or wherever those artists happen to be.

So as much as I wish there was, there isn't really a (pracical) alternative. Let alone one of the same "competence".

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[–] Wolf314159@startrek.website 21 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

If someone wrote this article in the early 90s, it would be called "Why I ditched the radio, and how I created my own CD collection." I think rephrasing it that way really shines a light on why it's mostly still comparing apples and oranges.

I have a pretty substantial collection of music hovering around 5,000 albums or 1.6TB (mostly lossless FLAC these days, but still some moldy old mp3s and ogg vorbis files from my youth). I'm not even counting the physical media I still hold on to. I still use Spotify for discovery and playlists. I don't think the depth and breadth of my library will ever match the depth and breadth of the music that I want to listen to in the very next moment. Lots of times I want to listen to the stuff I'm familiar with, and I do that using my own library. But, when I want to: remember a song I heard in the wild, share a holiday playlist with friends, make an obscurely themed playlist of songs features peaches, preview a musician's or band's stuff, discover other things that musician has collaborated on, or simply discover new music; I still use Spotify.

There are (or were) bits and pieces out there (many that pre-date Spotify) that can do some of these things. Last.fm (fka Audioscrobbler) was good for tracking listening habits to compare and share with others, it helped a little with discovery. I used allmusic.com a lot long ago to discover the artists that inspired the artists I was listening. If I wanted to share a playlist, I made a mixtape (really it was burning a mix CD). But, all of these collected information only, not the music itself. If I wanted to actually hear a new song, I had to go somewhere and find it first. That often meant literally traveling somewhere else or ordering from a catalog and waiting for delivery. Every new music discovery was a bet made with real dollars that I would actually enjoy the thing or listen to it more than once. Even after napster paved the way for free listening via piracy, one still had to work to actually find the music.

Spotify (and similar services) finally collected (almost) all of it under one app, so that I could discover and listen seemlessly. It is instant gratification music discovery. I'll never give up my self hosted collection, but I also don't have much hope that any self curated collection will be able to complete with the way that I use Spotify. Spotify is just the new radio. It's never the end of my listening though. Just like with radio, when I find something I like enough, then I can expend the energy (or more often expend the money as directly with the band as I can) to add it to my collection.

[–] underscores@lemmy.zip -1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

My music taste would never be on radio

Similarly my music taste is not on Spotify either

I still have a lossless music player to listen to music that likely my artists just decided to not have in Spotify

So no I don't think it's an apple to oranges things

Radio sucks ass

Spotify sucks a bit less ass

Self hosting your own collection is the future

[–] Wolf314159@startrek.website 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)
[–] gusgalarnyk@lemmy.world 4 points 14 hours ago

I'm self-hosting my own music as of recently. I'm paying for every song. I don't have as much music as I did on Spotify, but I'm also A) owning the music B) slowly acquiring more and C) actually paying the artists. For me this is a good step in the right direction.

I'm seeing a lot of comments about music discovery being the reason to not stop paying Spotify. Idk if that's something I'd agree with. First of all, I personally listen to singles and not albums but I've been buying albums simply because that's easiest for a lot of sites (or cause I'm getting them on vinyl). So swapping over has led me to listening to full albums and thus a bit of discovery. That may not apply to everyone though. Several of those albums or artists have had collabs that have turned me on to other artists, again, maybe the music discovery people think this is child's play but it's led to a noticable increase in my collection.

Second, can't you just use Spotify free version to discover music? That's what I plan to do if I'm feeling like my current collection is getting stale. But between friends, other web services for discovery, various platforms like YouTube that happen to unveil a song here and there, indie concerts that show off new openers to me, or what have you I feel like my discovery is more than sufficient to grow the list of music I need to pick up faster than I'm burning it down or becoming bored with it.

Also, I don't understand how discovery can represent a majority of a person's listening habits. Like isn't the point of collecting favorites songs and making large playlists to listen to those things. I've got playlists with like 48 hours of music on them which cause me to not hear a repeat idk, more than once a month if I'm not seeking them out. That's partially because I have 3 playlists or so I rotate through but like... Is music discovery so critical and so exclusive to Spotify that it's worth the subscription. More me it's not.

Not to yuck anyone's yum or anything. Just trying to add an alternative perspective to these pro-spotify comments.

[–] IanTwenty@lemmy.world 30 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Author says "one-time server setup + storage" but there are a few moving parts and always updates to handle so I'm sceptical this could be truly called 'one time' (or any selfhosting). Time will tell I guess. I enjoyed the article though and gave me food for thought.

[–] tofu@lemmy.nocturnal.garden 19 points 22 hours ago (9 children)

That quote relates to financial expenses compared to monthly Spotify subscription, not time and effort.

[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 17 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (4 children)

Monthly Cost $9.99-$14.99 One-time server setup + storage

The problem is that's not the monthly cost because (in addition to running a server not being a one time thing, they need maintenance) it's not including the cost to actually buy all the music:

Digital purchases (Bandcamp, iTunes, Amazon, etc.)

For me:

https://www.last.fm/user/ikt123/listening-report/year

Paying for 7808 albums in 1 year is unfeasible, so this is not a replacement for Spotify for me, it could be though if you only listen to a tiny amount of music, at current rate of $15 a month for me, it's equal to like 1 album and like several smaller singles, if this is all you listen to in a month go for it.

[–] SamuraiBeandog@lemmy.world 8 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

That seems extremely high, can you explain your listening habits? Are you listening to all of those albums start to finish? Are you selecting each of those albums or just letting the algorithm run wild?

[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 11 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Majority of music is in albums, nearly 12,000 different tracks listened to, but most are singles, I rarely listen to albums from start to finish

I listen to a lot of music in general

https://aussie.zone/post/19441027/16055498

Also I figured out you can turn off the payola:

To opt out of receiving sponsored recommendations, go to your Spotify account on desktop > Account > Privacy settings > turn off Tailored ads.

This will opt you out of receiving sponsored recommendations and personalized ads generally across our product. If you turn off Tailored ads, you will continue receiving podcast ads in your Premium account, but they will not be tailored to you.


So even if you broke it down to me just having to buy singles I'm still getting a ridiculous amount of value from Spotify

[–] SamuraiBeandog@lemmy.world 9 points 18 hours ago (4 children)

I’m still getting a ridiculous amount of value from Spotify

If only the same could be said for the artists you're listening to...

[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 5 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (4 children)

In 2024, Spotify alone paid out a record $10 billion to the music industry—totaling nearly $60 billion since our founding.

https://newsroom.spotify.com/2025-01-28/on-our-10-billion-milestone-and-a-decade-of-getting-the-world-to-value-music/

You have to remember that prior to Spotify the music industry was desperate, as people turned to downloading mp3's illegally the music industry basically just resorted to suing people who potentially downloaded a song.

I'm also very highly sceptical of this whole article, from the crappy accounting to

Lidarr is just a tool. Like any tool, it can be misused. Yes, people could point it at less-than-legal sources

My setup uses sabnzbd integrated with Lidarr for handling downloads of content I've purchased

Riiiiiight.

You're just hooked up into a piracy platform that pays artists nothing by coincidence.

On top of this:

In 2024, more musicians are making and releasing music than ever before. In fact, a new report has found that more music is released in a single day now than in the entire year of 1989.

Music simply isn't a high value product anymore, the market is flooded, there is more music coming out per minute now than you can listen to.

But it's all good, I'll keep paying for Spotify because Spotify pays all the artists I listen to.

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[–] lazynooblet@lazysoci.al 6 points 19 hours ago (5 children)

The reasons for dropping Spotify are obvious, however pretext of this guide is that Spotify doesn't give enough back to artists. So the solution is to pirate it? I mean yeah sure, but don't kid yourself with the pretext.

How about a guide on ripping owned CDs?

[–] kugmo@sh.itjust.works 4 points 15 hours ago

When you mainly listen to boomer artists who have made millions who gives a fuck

[–] tofu@lemmy.nocturnal.garden 10 points 19 hours ago

I mean there's a whole block on this:

Lidarr is just a tool. Like any tool, it can be misused. Yes, people could point it at less-than-legal sources. No, I'm not telling you to do that. If you want to support artists, buy their work. If you don't, don't pretend Spotify streams are "support."

Important Note: Always ensure you're obtaining music through legal channels such as:

  • Digital purchases (Bandcamp, iTunes, Amazon, etc.)
  • Ripping CDs you've purchased
  • Free legal downloads offered by artists
  • Music available under Creative Commons licenses

And yes, I'll use this with my existing, mostly legally obtained, music collection. I don't mind the pirate stack though, it's far easier to just download the album than ripping your vinyl and tapes.

[–] 0laura@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Pirate, then donate directly to artists.

[–] non_burglar@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago

I think like this solution the best.

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[–] ace@lemmy.ananace.dev 9 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I really do hope that Funkwhale get their 2.0 release out soon, should make self-hosted Spotify-like stacks simpler to do, and the fact that it works for creation and distribution as well is great.

[–] Damage@feddit.it 11 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

What a terrible website, its hard to understand exactly what this is

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