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[–] kerrigan778@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 5 hours ago

Yeah this seems nice symbolically as a, you're not welcome in new york city thing, but practically a train wreck waiting to happen that is ultimately very unlikely to end up looking good for Mamdani if his bluff is called.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

So Trump and Netanyahu are definitely going to call his bluff. He needs to prepare for how that will play out. So do we.

[–] BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Mamdani has to get elected first, once that's achieved he can worry about such trivialities as reality.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

He’s been the presumptive winner since his primary win. What data have you seen to suggest otherwise?

[–] BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 hours ago

I haven't seen any data. What I'm suggesting is that before being elected it's pretty easy to throw around promises. Especially if said promises are controversial and aimed at riling up your voter base. Of course if you're an orange taco you can apparently throw around whatever whenever, but I digress.

I want to see Netanyahu extradited to the Hague as much as the next person, but talk is cheap and the real world consequences can be dire.

[–] LoafedBurrito@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago

We could make it a celebration! I'd love to see that war criminal be held accountable!

An american that wants to follow international law? What doofus...

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 57 points 2 days ago (1 children)

He should order every ICE agent be stopped and immediately identify themselves. Even if an agent was identified 5 minutes ago, if the mask goes up start the whole process over again

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[–] grue@lemmy.world 42 points 2 days ago (8 children)

I mean, that's cool and all, but the N.Y. Times latching on to stuff like that makes it easier for them to try to smear him as a "radical Muslim antisemite" or whatever and bury stories about his economic populism. When push comes to shove, it's the latter that working-class New Yorkers care about and that would get him elected.

I don't think he's wrong to take that position re: Netanyahu, but I think it's possibly a tactical error to let the media bait him into focusing on it instead of hammering on the economic message.

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 5 points 9 hours ago

On the other hand, this has been a tactic of the right, and it’s somewhat successful: Keep showing new avenues of attack, and you put your adversaries constantly on the defensive.

What’s sad is, many voters don’t care about the merits of an issue; just the optics of power and assertion. Person X is on the defensive, criticizing a bold statement and thinking they should walk back on it, Person Y is already spouting a new message.

[–] nednobbins@lemmy.zip 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's clearly the NYTs intent in writing this article.

Do you think New Yorkers will buy the "radical Muslim antisemite" line?

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They already haven't. They're smarter than average red state Americans.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 2 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Nah. No group's smarter than any other group on average.

The difference is they actually know those people irl instead of only seeing them in propaganda films and on Fox.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

No group's smarter than any other group on average.

Huh? This makes no sense, of course there are groups that are smarter than other groups on average.

Are doctors not smarter than truck drivers, on average?

NYC is pretty highly educated compared to other cities, particularly cities in red states.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 points 54 minutes ago

Try to be a little less literal and understand we're talking about regional demographics, dum dum.

[–] nandeEbisu@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

He doesn't even need to focus on it, he just need to tangentially allude to it and suddenly a bunch of these hack rags will end up treating it like its the capstone of his policy agenda.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 1 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

All the more reason to STFU about it now, and then just do it once he's in office if the opportunity presents itself.

Speaking of which, telegraphing that visiting NYC would be a bad idea for Netanyahu under Mamdani's leadership is also exactly the opposite of what he should do.

[–] Sprocketfree@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Smear? Fuck that makes me want to vote for him more.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Perhaps, but I think his message from the debate was better: The job is to be mayor of a city, there's no reason the office should have anything at all to do with foreign affairs so long as those affairs stay out of the city.

Like personally I appreciate calling out the atrocity, but it isn't the job of the mayor to be neck deep in that either way.

[–] Sprocketfree@sh.itjust.works 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I think limiting the purview of the mayor should be left to the mayor. If he wants to make his position clear on this he has every right to do that. And maybe some call that spending political capitol for nothing, I say it inspires my support.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago

I'd say as a person, he can express his thoughts. For him to personally condemn the events is good. For him to say that if the federal government were reasonable, Netanyahu should be arrested.

I think declaring that he would try to use his authority as mayor to pull the NYPD into it against the will of the federal government is a bit more tricky. During a debate when every single last other person pandered to Israel he made the solid point that a Mayor's job is to tend to his city, not foreign affairs. This sort of undermines that point. Admittedly, technically he still would only get involved if Netanyahu came to NYC, but by declaring this so publicly it has had the effect of provoking Netanyahu, who seemed to be inclined to test Mamdani's words by defiantly coming to NYC with Trump if Mamdani were elected.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

The antisemitism accusstions no longer works we all see the genocide live

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 6 points 1 day ago

The majority of NYC residents would like to see Netanyahu get fucked last I checked. Anti-Israel stuff is immensely popular among democrats in general.

[–] Evkob@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

I think it's a tactical error to let the right-wing fascists dictate your policies before there's even a chance they get enacted.

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[–] lennee@lemmy.world 27 points 2 days ago
[–] cannon_annon88@lemmy.today 15 points 2 days ago

The balls on this guy

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Interesting, but given that America isn't party to the ICC I wonder what legal reason he could provide for this.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (7 children)
[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Perhaps, but there's the challenge of who gets to declare genocide formally. A city mayor no matter how large probably shouldn't be able to unilaterally do so when no authority recognized by his nation does so.

I agree Netanyahu should be arrested, but I just don't think a city mayor can reasonably unilaterally do so. Certainly from a practical standpoint it's a nightmare if your own federal government will be at odds over the arrest of a foreign leader.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Yeah. I didn't mean that Mamdani will be able to do it just saying that the genocide convention is a valid legal reason for Netenyahu to be arrested

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[–] tamal3@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It actually makes sense as hasn't Netanyahu been in New York City several times since October 7th? He's not welcome there and would be arrested by the NYPD.

[–] hector@lemmy.today 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The nypd would treat him like royalty and hand him to the feds to Spirit him out of there. NYPD are fucking Nazis. Maybe not all of the rank and file but the leadership. I forget if there are like 40, 60,000 of them. They're bigger than a lot of countries' armies.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 day ago

If Mamdani wins, they'll probably do some lame performative bullshit like turn their backs to him during his inauguration..

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nypd-officers-again-turn-backs-on-mayor-de-blasio-at-cops-funeral/

https://time.com/3652979/deblasio-nypd-funeral/

[–] desmosthenes@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

make sure to vote new yorkers

[–] EnochianFarms@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Fuck yes. We've let our colony go rogue and it's time to arrest the governor and bring him to justice.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 day ago

Kathy Hochul?

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