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[–] xep@discuss.online 13 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

CF aside, I'm not the biggest fan that Ladybird decided on Swift, since it's such an Apple-centric language. Wish they'd sponsored Servo instead.

[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

Servo kinda died when the main people left

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

Swift is open source (Apache 2) and is a very pleasant language to work with. I would have gone with Rust, personally, but I can’t fault anyone for choosing Swift. It’s a very underrated language.

[–] favoredponcho@lemmy.zip 0 points 6 days ago

Ladybird needs to be careful who they accept money from

[–] RedPandaRaider@feddit.org 67 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Cloudflare PR. Fuck them. Blocking VPNs from accessing websites is very open web of you.

[–] tekato@lemmy.world 83 points 1 week ago (11 children)

Cloudflare blocks VPNs at the request of whoever is running the server. There are tons of websites running on Cloudflare that work with VPNs.

[–] moseschrute@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago

There are also many Lemmy instances that are intentionally blocking VPNs because they have to to stay afloat.

[–] IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Exactly. My employer uses Akamai, which is larger than Cloudflare. Akamai provides the ability to block traffic from Tor, traffic from VPNs, traffic from any countries you desire, and so on. They also provide managed lists of countries listed in things like ITAR so you can easily block them if you want.

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[–] AmbiguousProps@lemmy.today 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm using a VPN with my cloudflare reverse proxies right now. That blocking is configured by the website owners, not Cloudflare.

[–] RedPandaRaider@feddit.org 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It is Cloudflare that creates this functionality and gives access to it to its customers though.

[–] AmbiguousProps@lemmy.today 1 points 5 days ago

I didn't say they didn't. But if a site is blocking you, that's the site admins configuring that, not Cloudflare.

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[–] asudox@lemmy.asudox.dev 42 points 1 week ago (3 children)
[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 41 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Perhaps Servo isn't apolitical enough. 🥹

Remember, technology is political and our major technology-related problems are political, not technological. We wouldn't be building alternative browsing engines if Chromium was a community-built project, unaffiliated with an ad company.

E: FWIW, this comment suggest the initial political Ladybird snafu may have been remediated.

[–] teolan@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Or maybe servo didn't mourn the fascist Charlie Kirk enough: This is Ladybird's Creator.

At least both projects funded by cloudflare support fascists. Omarchy is by DHH, who is not a good person

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Or maybe servo didn't mourn the fascist Charlie Kirk enough: This is Ladybird's Creator.

Oh boy. Yeah, that's pretty clear. Anyone putting Kirk in a positive position as a genuine debater of ideas has crossed the rubicon or placating someone who has.

[–] Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 39 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (16 children)

I think that kinda weird and bad statement from the ladybird lead makes way more sense when you realize that his first language is german.

German, like other gendered languages, uses the male gender for an unknown person, using a genderless pronoun like "they" in german is a deliberate political stance that would prompt debate and is unusual and, frankly, weird, since the male pronoun is used as a neutral one.

Given that he apologized and changed it to they later, and no other incident of the sort happened since, I personally am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

The ladybird contributing guidelines currently read:

Use gender-neutral pronouns, except when referring to a specific person.

[–] noverby@lemmy.world -1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

He is actually swedish, so your attempt to excuse his behaviour is simply wrong

[–] Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Could've sworn he was german, I don't know where I got that from. Guess I was wrong.

Otherwise when you learn english as a second language, until very recently you're taught to use he or he/she, and that they is incorrect, but that's maybe a bit of a stretch

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[–] TheOneCurly@feddit.online 16 points 1 week ago

They don't appear to be sponsoring that one

[–] sorter_plainview@lemmy.today 32 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Isn't Ladybird adopting Swift as their preferred language? I'm slightly confused on why Ladybird over Servo. But I am sure people at Cloudflare have more knowledge than me. So I guess there is a good reason.

[–] lena@gregtech.eu 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yep, they're moving from C++ to swift.

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

How does that work?

Working with raw buffers and memory in Swift is a frustrating experience.

I’m a big fan of Swift, but when I drop to systems level I don’t feel it’s a good fit.

[–] lena@gregtech.eu 15 points 1 week ago (4 children)
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[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 31 points 1 week ago (6 children)
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[–] 1984@lemmy.today 23 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Cloudflare doesnt want an open web, wtf.... More ridiculous fake posturing from big tech.

[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

I think they do

If everything is big tech and walled gardens. what is cloudflares role?

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[–] barnaclebutt@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Why does CloudFlare not want an open web? I don't know why they care. Can someone please explain? Is it because they sometimes block VPNs?

They do.

The basis for the FUD is that Cloudflare controls a lot of the web since they're used as a CDN, DDOS mitigation, domain registration, etc. However, what the FUD fails to mention is they don't provide most of the infrastructure for the web, Amazon AWS, Google Cloud, and Microsoft Azure totally dwarf their footprint. DDOS protection and whatnot may be provided largely by Cloudflare, but not the rest of the web stack.

Cloudflare very much doesn't want one or two companies to dominate the web because that'll kill their business model. The more diversity there is on the web, the more attractive their services are, because people are willing to pay for things to just work.

[–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

I can explain. Cloudflare does not block VPNs, some website owners choose to block VPNs using Cloudflare services.

Cloudflare itself is very open to VPNs, like you can use their free services to proxy your VPN over their network bypassing country providers blocking. You'll have to pay a lot for such service in Amazon or Azure.

So their business model is that poor people can receive cool services for free providing marketing for their business clients to pay for even better services. And they do provide cool services for free and even better services for reasonable payments.

Closed web means Google, Amazon and Azure own their business and the web. They don't want that neither in business sense nor in moral sense.

Edit. I'd like to emphasise that Cloudflare is the only CDN that provides their basic services for free to common people, making the web available to common people, making the web more free.

I've seen a couple of threads here where people shit on Cloudflare(including this one). They are stupid, don't know how the web works and are out of their minds.

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[–] TuxEnthusiast@sopuli.xyz 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Cloudflare alternatives anyone?

[–] lena@gregtech.eu 25 points 1 week ago

I'd say Bunny CDN is pretty good, but here's a more complete list: https://european-alternatives.eu/alternative-to/cloudflare

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