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US President Donald Trump delivered a fascist rant Tuesday to the 80th session of the United Nations General Assembly in which he proclaimed “America First” should be the world’s organizing principle, threatened war and aggression the world over, and lionized the criminal actions of his administration at home and abroad.

He attacked both America’s ostensible allies and states long in Washington’s military-strategic crosshairs in a meandering speech that lasted almost triple his allotted time.

Trump reveled in displaying his disdain and contempt for international law, making clear that Washington will accept no restraints on the ruthless assertion of its imperialist interests, whether through trade war, assassinations, regime-change operations or global war.

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[–] KelvarCherry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 89 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I'm genuinely unsure whether having Vance or Trump as president would be worse. I'm not sure whether Trump's incompetency is saving or dooming us more.

[–] Naich@lemmings.world 75 points 1 week ago

As the second world war progressed, the allies put aside any ideas of assassinating Hitler because they realised he would be replaced by someone competent.

[–] YurkshireLad@lemmy.ca 49 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I’m not sure anyone will really follow or bow down to Vance as they do with Trump. I don’t think Vance has the power, charisma or cult following and (hope) people might ignore him.

[–] blargh513@sh.itjust.works 28 points 1 week ago

I tend to get the same feeling. They wanted Trump because of his unhinged nonsense and hyper-aggressive big man stunts. Vance doesn't have that same energy. I am of no mind that Vance is a thinking man with a sense of morals (clearly, he ate his own words by becoming Trump's toady), but I don't see him commanding the many as Trump can.

He'll be dangerous, but in a different way. I feel like Trump is more of the distraction out front while all the real crime is taking place out of sight. He just keeps everybody looking and talking while all his wealthy supporters are walking about the back door with the jewelry.

[–] cenzorrll@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They'll do whatever Murdoch tells them they should do.

[–] Rothe@piefed.social 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

No, they won't. Don't forget that Trump was dumped by Murdoc for a short while, and the Republicans tried setting up alternative candidates instead of Trump, but none of them worked, because Trump has the Republican voterbase in his pocket. Vance doesn't have that, and is in fact seen as a bit of a laughing stock even among MAGA cultists.

Trump rules the Republican party with an iron fist because he has shown that the voters won't abandon him. Noone else in the party has that kind of hold, and it is very interesting what will happen when Trump dies. Fragmentation seems an obvious answer, but it is impossible to predict. Either way Vance probably won't be among the finalists.

[–] b_tr3e@feddit.org 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Charisma? Trump? Well, compared to Biden. Or Merz...

[–] burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 week ago

Charisma isn't necessarily pleasant. It's whatever appeals to the person being spoken to. And, unfortunately, many americans are fucking retarded and gobble up strong man appeals as if they were pigs at the trough. Trump delivers that by the bucketful, and they let it be glomped on top of them, writhing and bathing in the stench.

[–] Almacca@aussie.zone 23 points 1 week ago

Stephen Miller terrifies me more than either of them.

[–] CircaV@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 week ago

Vance has no cult of personality around him so he wouldn’t be able to hold maga together. Goes for Miller too.

[–] TheCriticalMember@aussie.zone 74 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I would have thought his first term was humiliating enough for Americans. Guess it wasn't.

[–] Impound4017@sh.itjust.works 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Regrettably, Americans come factory new without the long term memory module installed. Typical cost cutting enshittification, you know how it is.

[–] thelittleerik@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Wait until you tell them about the native american genocide they committed.

They even celebrate it and call it fucking "Thanksgiving" atleast that kinda guilt pierced a bit through. (No it didnt)

[–] Impound4017@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I will say, as someone who personally went through the American education system, that the genocide of Native Americans is actually something that is talked about in our schooling, though really only in broad terms, with basically only the trail of tears getting a specific mention. Consequently, the scale of the atrocity is not properly conveyed, but we’re pretty much all at least generally aware. In my opinion, though, that cognitive dissonance makes us worse, not better.

The larger problem, however, is in my opinion twofold. The first is that it is often framed as something which was regrettable but ultimately inevitable “they were just in the way”. This inevitability this is often presented as a component of manifest destiny, that the “American people” (who, curiously, do not include the people who were here first) were always going to end up controlling the lands that we did (see: from sea to shining sea) and so as a result we are somehow absolved by fate. The second issue is that the way that native Americans are talked about in our education system are as something that either is or soon will be a part of history, rather than as still living groups of people who we are actively continuing to oppress and marginalize in the present.

All that is to say, rather than ignorance, we’ve chosen to believe paper-thin lies to absolve ourselves instead; arguably even worse than not knowing at all.

[–] eepydeeby@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 week ago

This description is spot on!

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[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Maybe it's like a fetish thing. A nation-wide humiliation kink.

[–] justOnePersistentKbinPlease@fedia.io 58 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Hold up, what is this source?

"The US/NATO instigated war in Ukraine." What?

[–] palordrolap@fedia.io 23 points 1 week ago

It's not clear whether they're quoting Trump or not there, but yeah, that's a blatantly pro-Russian stance.

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 22 points 1 week ago

The "World Socialist Web Site". A bastion of impartial news don't ya know.

[–] i_am_not_a_robot@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If he had declared war on the world, which wouldn't be so out of character for him after being insulted by an escalator, you wouldn't need to go to wsws to read about it.

The best thing is that the UN reported on the cause of the failure:

Automatic safety stop at the combs. Probably caused by his backwards facing videographer that went up before him.

His incessant need for publicity and fame caused the stop.

[–] devolution@lemmy.world 49 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Trump is amazing. He has successfully bankrupted casinos, charities, and now a country and he's not done yet.

[–] b_tr3e@feddit.org 18 points 1 week ago

"DEATH TO HUMANS!"

You gotta love this guy.

[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 39 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Fox's response to this blundering grandpa's naked aggression was of course to discuss the merits of bombing vs gassing a major metropolitan area within the US.

[–] LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Hopefully they mean whichever major metropolitan area Trump happens to be located at any given moment.

[–] ieatpwns@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The world has a chance to do something really funny to 1600 Pennsylvania ave

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Dump the administration into the Boston harbor?

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Putin gleefully sitting in Kremlin and says to himself "best investment I made." US is having loose screws that's why Putin has become emboldened to test NATO by sending drones over Poland and Estonia

Europe, we have three years tops to invest in the military before the US potentially collapses. The ruling class also better do a good job investing in people to prevent far right populism capitalising on wealth disparity, which would only serve Putin.

[–] bagsy@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

Putin is the best inveator in the world. For the cost of a few hookers and some video tape for some black mail material, plus some nerds to create a bunch of bots, he managed to own the US and build an army of red hats within our borders.

It would have cost trillions to own the US via millitary action and put that many boots on US soil.

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

That is if you take what he said seriously.

On the other hand he probably is demented and thinks that the way he curves his lips while he talks is very charismatic and dominant lol.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So how about we keep him there, in a cell, with a comfortable jacket and all?

[–] LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

I've heard that the Hague is lovely this time of year

[–] CyberMonkey403@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

disdain and contempt for international law, making clear that Washington will accept no restraints on the ruthless assertion of its imperialist interests, whether through trade war, assassinations, regime-change operations or global war.

As opposed to every other US president?

[–] BenjiRenji@feddit.org 7 points 1 week ago

It's just not wrapped in nice words anymore. Oh, and they also don't respect their own laws anymore. So it still is an escalation.

[–] Davel23@fedia.io 12 points 1 week ago

And somehow he still thinks he deserves a Nobel Peace Prize.

[–] Aeao@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And who did they pick as their enemy? The world!

-norm McDonald

[–] dan1101@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

The more I learn about this Trump feller, the less I care for him.

[–] FishFace@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

https://i0.wp.com/mediabiasfactcheck.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/left3.png?w=600&ssl=1

Let's not submit, upvote or read dumb shit like this.

European countries are imperialist for not wanting to be forced to submit to Russian demands in the future

OK tankie.

[–] nyctre@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well, after reading the whole thing.. they have equally bad things to say about Russia and China, so I don't think the article is written by a tankie. And even tho I disagree with their claims that Europe is sabotaging the peace talks in Ukraine (it's obvious to most people that russia doesn't wanna give up the land that they've taken and Ukraine isn't happy to concede it either), I also can't say for sure that they're not. World leaders are known to be lying cunts and it wouldn't surprise me to hear that they are indeed doing that. They probably think it's a good thing that Russia is spending so much time and resources in Ukraine.

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[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Simple 1-dimensionsal measurement. I envy you.

[–] FishFace@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Any outlet which thinks left-wing means supporting Russia's war of conquest is sufficiently one-dimensional as to be disposed of one-dimensionally.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Ah, that's what you meant. But the content here is not wrong. Cnn and even whitehouse.gov and nytimes say broadly the same. Of course on nytimes only shortly and the rest of it apologist, while whitehouse doesn't assess, lists only raw quotes, while CNN has some critiques.

Ugh, and BBC like what he says.

[–] WanderWisley@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ive stopped 7 wars! You are all going to hell! 🫲🍊🫱

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

I'm great, you all suck, I'm the best diplomat ever.
You may acclaim me.

[–] CircaV@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 week ago

Dementia Don

[–] 8H2k2139@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 week ago

With such morons in charge, it's a war the US will lose swiftly

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