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They're lobbying for laws, supporting political parties, and even influencing orthodox economic theories and their spread.
They're also buying publishing houses, survey institutes, and even journalist schools.
That's how you can find people who claim to be neither from the left or the right, but are only knowing/regurgitating opinions broadcasted in the capitalist-owned state(, e.g., solve the deficit by lowering the number of public servants and selling public companies, instead of taxing the billionaires and fighting tax fraud&schemes, after all they're the ones creating jobs and working enough hours to deserve millions, and they'll leave the country if we tax them, not seeing the problem with this race to the bottom).

Just a reminder of our hypocrisy when we're criticizing the state's Pravda while our laws allow the Pravda of the millionaires.

Worker's owned medias and companies would be the obvious third way to private//public ones, or at least the three types in a relative equal mesure, but not >90% of capitalist-owned medias. We could/should also finally accomplish the pluralism that we're so proud of and makes us a "democracy" better than the dictatorships allegedly specialized in brainwashing their citizens(, otherwise how could the authentic popular support be explained, they still need to be sanctioned/invaded/liberated). Concretely, we could give ~100โ‚ฌ every year to our citizens, and let them choose/vote to which newspaper such sum should be allocated, among other ideas. Perhaps that communist newspapers/radios/ideas would finally appear instead of the pseudo-objectivity owned by the wealthiest, who even knows what socialism or capitalism means, and why 'passive incomes'/'lucrative properties' are a theft of the workers, for example ? Or any argument from our enemies, whose narrative is systematically silenced.
Some claim that our freedom of speech on the internet will make such ideas re-emerge, but they've already successfully censored any terrorist point of view, and are still not satisfied, making more than clear that their objective is to control what is said on the internet(, "FReEdOm of SpEecH BuT nOT freEDOm oF ConSeQUEnceS"), this year they're focused on the end of online anonymity, last year it was disinformation and the year before it was hate speech.

Anyway, what was interesting/new here was the mention of social medias, but having a majority of 'workers/readers'-owned mainstream medias is just one more thing that will never happen. Most socialist and republican newspapers belonged to their journalists in the XIXth century.
Just don't doubt that our system is the best, and that we should destroy any country aiming for a different one.

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[โ€“] sangeteria@lemmy.ml 14 points 3 days ago

Nepal wanted to put like base level regulations on Facebook and when it didn't comply they made Facebook illegal, and Facebook fomented a colour revolution in response ๐Ÿ˜ญ๐Ÿ˜ญ๐Ÿ˜ญ

[โ€“] EuthanatosMurderhobo@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It's not on Twatter, TikTac, Faceboot, Slowgram, Nothingsup or the Faschington Post.

So I can't see the problem, no.

[โ€“] sousmerde_rtrdataire@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

You're not on them, but most people are ๐Ÿคท
So you end up being impacted, if only because we're in a constitutional republic with a system of representative "democracy"

+1 for Nothingsup though

[โ€“] EuthanatosMurderhobo@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I hate explaining jokes...

[โ€“] sousmerde_rtrdataire@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Ah, the joke in the verb "see" :) ?

[โ€“] EuthanatosMurderhobo@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

No, I said that the problem isn't on those platforms, not that I am not.

It's roughly analagous with "this sign can't stop me, cause I can't read"?

[โ€“] sousmerde_rtrdataire@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

I'm afraid that i'll annoy you by trying to understand, but if you're willing to answer :
The problem is the ownership by one wealthy guy(, with the class/selfish interests we know), instead of, e.g., the users or kinda nobody like f.o.o.s. software.
So the problem is on these platforms ?

Please correct me if i'm missing something, or not, sry for insisting.

[โ€“] EuthanatosMurderhobo@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

dies of cringe (No worries, comrade.)

The joke is that exactly due to corporate ownership of these platforms and outlets the joke's main character can't see this being discussed on these platforms and outlets as a problem. And the joke's main character doesn't read anything else.

[โ€“] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The joke is that they looked at these sites and none of them said there's a problem. This is funny because of course these sites will not say that it is a problem that they are owned by billionaires for the obvious reason that they are owned and controled by billionaires.

This is what this post is about that control of info by the ruling class means that people won't see info about why that's a problem.

It's okay if you don't get it. But that's all they were doing is making a joke

[โ€“] sousmerde_rtrdataire@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Yeah, ok, now that you say it it's obvious : this problem isn't (talked about )on these sites and newspapers, so we donโ€™t see it

Thanks for explaining ๐Ÿ‘

[โ€“] sousmerde_rtrdataire@lemmygrad.ml -5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

Please downvote this comment but don't ban me : it certainly feels to me that ๐• is much more resistant to the numerous demands of censorship that the states asked of Twitter, especially in its last years(, pre- and post-covid). It's not something i've heard but that i've witnessed, and it feels unique enough to be mentioned : prior to that states simply had to ask, and now they have to enact laws.
Apart from this welcomed exception, every single social media increased its censorship, and most people accuse these social medias instead of realizing that the demand came from our states.

Writing that doesn't make me a pro-capitalist, it's just that the world isn't in black and white, and it doesn't mean that E.Musk wonโ€™t censor anti-capitalist accounts one day(, if they're not already deboosted, which i haven't yet seen a clear proof of).
And if you claim that E.Musk is saying stupid shit everyday don't waste your energy i already agree with you(, e.g. the fact that he considers FAFO hilarious without realizing the double standard, i'd like to write FAFO for Sept.11th but it only works one way, if i'm sticking to Oct.7th then Hamas clearly acted as a consequence of Israel's actions, and it's just an example), my point is that his ownership of twitter is worth mentioning since it changed things, 'from my point of view'/'if i'm not mistaken'.
In his defense he's not anti-China, repeatedly retweeted people like Glenn Greenwald, or that kind of anti-imperialist stuff, but yeah, ok, i also kinda know his other declarations aligned with D.Trump.

Back to the subject, i'd obviously prefer if ๐• or Reddit were like Lemmy, and if users had a control over the algorithm, but ultimately the real problem here are the laws of our capitalist-owned states, and also that we'll still have decades before the population switches more fully from newspapers and t.v. to internet.

The downvote button should be around here
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[โ€“] OrnluWolfjarl@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Elon Musk removed censorship from Twitter for three reasons:

a) a lot of it was targetting his fascist buddies, and Trump.

b) he wanted to attract people back to the platform to make it profitable again.

c) he wanted to pave the way for Trump's election campaign.

[โ€“] Maeve1@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 days ago

Plus he blocked/deactivated several accounts?

[โ€“] ThermonuclearEgg@hexbear.net 18 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Please downvote this comment but don't ban me

Hexbear abolishing downvotes is praxis

[โ€“] sousmerde_rtrdataire@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

I.d.k., most of this kind of stuff should be left in the settings i.m.o.(, i.e. whether to display downvotes, to allow downvotes on your publications, ...), but congrats on hexbear for any kind of innovation, i like your extensive use of emojis :D !

An old idea is that it'd be nice to be able to vote from -10 to +10, or at least from -3 to +3

I've also learned a few months ago that Reddit makes more than a billion dollars in annual revenues. Their app hasn't evolved and they're relying on the work of thousands of unpaid volunteers, without any sign that they'll do something useful with that money.
Oh well...

[โ€“] RedWizard@hexbear.net 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I.d.k., most of this kind of stuff should be left in the settings i.m.o.(, i.e. whether to display downvotes, to allow downvotes on your publications, ...), but congrats on hexbear for any kind of innovation

As an admin, it's a choice you can make about your instance. Negitive indicators (such as down votes) in social media are linked (according to some studies) to contributing to things like depression, and we believe downvotes can be used as a means of suppressing ideas you don't agree with as opposed to engaging with them, or at least, ignoring them. I very much enjoy downvotes being disabled, and frankly think it should be the default setting.

[โ€“] sousmerde_rtrdataire@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

As an admin, it's a choice you can make about your instance

For those interested : https://mv-gh.github.io/lemmy_openapi_spec/#tag/Site/paths/~1site/put

[โ€“] ThermonuclearEgg@hexbear.net 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

i.e. whether to display downvotes, to allow downvotes on your publications, ...)

I have to imagine if you establish your own Lemmy instance, you can probably configure that as an instance admin

[โ€“] sousmerde_rtrdataire@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Yeah, that total ownership is one more good thing with Lemmy. Just have to check that the updates wonโ€™t bring breaking changes :)

[โ€“] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 11 points 3 days ago

downbear we don't have downvotes, but here you go.

Imma downvote. For missing the downvote button.