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There is no combustion engine ban and it's fuckung annoying how press just picked up some right wing wording and ran with it.
Yeah there was an article about it right here on Lemmyverse some time ago.
It's. Not. A. Ban.
The emission rules for new cars however will become very strict in 2035, incl. CO2.
If no new cars may produce CO2 emissions after 2035, then in reality that's a ban on new cars with combustion engines, no?
Well, before the shitty take of "ice ban" everybody and their mother from the conservatives were dreaming about efuels. So no, if those were made viable, ices are not 'banned'.
It is as "technology open" as it could be. Like: propel your cars however you want, as long as they don't emit carbon dioxide, is a pretty fair regulation. They could also put horses on a treadmill inside the car to fullfill the obligation, but, alas, that is probably not going to fly in the market. But that doesn't make it a "horses on treadmill"-ban. It is the invisible hand of the market all these people love so much.
They could also put horses on a treadmill inside the car to fullfill the obligation, but, alas, that is probably not going to fly in the market.
I checked with Perplexity
A Tesla Model 3 cannot practically be powered by a horse, since the electrical power a horse can generate on a running wheel is about 0.5 to 0.7 kW, while the Tesla requires significantly more power when driving — on average around 15–20 kW in everyday use, and up to 370 kW under full acceleration.
So more like 21 Horses.
Because of the detour to generate electricity first. Just let the treadmill directly turn the wheels.
Have you checked whether the 21 horses powered car would conquer the market though? Maybe we're on to something.
I am firmly commited to invent the first horse-elctric drive. Has lots of upsides. You can do plug in vehicles, can charge by sun or grass. Have horse swappings stations along the way to increase range.
Would be awesome, if the whole Roman wayside inn/horse changing system to deliver fast messages across the continent would make a comeback 😅.
Seems to be economically unfeasible though
Well, the allmighty free market has chosen ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. But nobody banned efuels, was just a shitty idea to begin with.
No? Not German here, but I heard that the EU is going to stop producing benzin cars at '35 or somewhere near that date.
They'll ban permission of new ICE vehicles that run with fossil fuels, yet ICEs using e-fuels exclusively are a viable, but costly, option.
Fuck Merz for courting far-right populism by continuously embracing kneejerk rhetoric like that.
It’s. Not. A. Ban.
The emission rules for new cars however will become very strict in 2035, incl. CO2.
If you phrased it correctly your average Jan (nobody's called Hans anymore btw) would just shrug and say: OK so even in 10 years I don't need to suddenly sell my car. Crisis averted. Maybe I won't vote for this idiot after all.
ELI15 Why are car companies in Europe so stuck with cars other than eletric? Shouldn't eletric have better margins and include State/European incentives? And it is also cheaper in the long run for the consumer.
Sadly margins are lower and they need to buy the costly components (batteries) and the resources for motors (rare earth minerals) in China.
They didn’t diversify the supply chain in time and didn’t react when China was contracting all mineral sources in Africa. Now they are on a Chinese lifeline for EVs.
There are some approaches to recycle batteries for rare earths and to construct motors without rare earth, but until then the worth is creates elsewhere.
The thing is a lot of state-of-the-art EV tech is actually developed and manufactured in Germany but car companies are run by 200 year old vampires who have their heads stuck in their own backside.
So what happens is that Bosch - one of the leading EV motor manufacturers is about to fire 13 000 workers in Germany in a time when everything is about to be electrified. Merz‘ party also seeks to reestablish gas deals with Russia even though renewables are actually cheaper.
Rare earths are also found in more place each year and recycling them becomes more and more feasible as well. It won‘t always be a Chinese monopoly unless we make it so
But alas. In a time when the rest of the world is looking forward, German politics and the economy hit the break as if they could stop the inevitable. It‘s another depressing chapter of stagnation under Christian Democrats.
Doesn’t change the point, that that state-of-the-art tech doesn’t drive the price.
Less moveable/mechanical parts, more electronics…
The margins lay in combustion engines in oversized fat SUV starting at 50.000€ , and they want to keep that cash cow alive.
I imagine they're so stuck on it because when it comes to electrics they are losing against the cheaper china EVs.
Volkswagen saw its electric car sales decrease by 2.7% in 2024 when Audi fell even harder, with EV deliveries declining by 7.8%. Demand for the VW Group's zero-emission models decreased by 3.4%, proving that the transition to an all-electric lineup will be bumpy.
-https://www.motor1.com/news/750871/vw-audi-stick-gas-engines/
Not that they're alone with it.
Bentley has also revised its electrification roadmap. The British luxury brand has delayed the launch of its first EV from 2025 to 2026 and extended its goal of becoming an all-electric brand from 2030 to 2035. Similarly, Lamborghini has postponed the debut of its first EV, the Lanzador, from 2028 to 2029.
-https://motorillustrated.com/volkswagen-and-audi-reportedly-extending-combustion-engine-lifespan-in-europe/148898/
General Motors also had lofty EV goals but has had to readjust them to suit market needs. As a result, the Detroit-based marque is developing plug-in hybrids to meet demand, with the first PHEVs due in 2027. Land Rover and Kia have also made similar adjustments to their EV roadmaps.