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Why don't protestors who oppose Trump/ICE open carry their guns to prevent what's currently occuring in the US ie kidnapping, assaults etc? (lemmy.world)

submitted 1 day ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) by Superdooper@lemmy.world to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world

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Is this not the reason the second amendment exists? Regards An Australian Edit: I'm not advocating for violence. More so "a well regulated militia" which could be established by protesters or Democratic Governors for genuine self defence.

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[–] FryHyde@lemmy.zip 18 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Best and simplest answer is that technically they're still considered law enforcement. Nearly everything they're doing is constitutionally illegal, but only the courts have the right to determine that.

If we start threatening police with guns, every single nook and cranny of our legal system justifies the police murdering us. Maybe some cops would get paid leave for a few weeks, or possibly even lose their badges, but that's about it.

And then they'll use it to justify an even more inflated budget for ICE, and everything will get exponentially worse.

[–] Lightsong@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

So second amendment is totally useless then.

[–] MJKee9@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

Against a government with modern weaponry? Yes.

[–] stinky@redlemmy.com 2 points 3 hours ago

Protesters who use violence to protect their neighbors will be killed. This is fascism. We can't use force to defend ourselves.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago

Because people won’t open carry when it’s against the law so they don’t get arrested. Unlike ICE, they’re following the law.

[–] twice_hatch@midwest.social 4 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

I believe open carry is illegal here in Illinois.

The meta I've heard is also that, if you're gonna brandish or draw a gun, you'd better be prepared to kill with it. I'm not prepared to die shooting cops so I don't feel like carrying. In the confusion of a gun fight I don't think I'd have much to add by shooting anyone

Like if someone told me that the 2nd amendment just causes more shootings and doesn't actually protect people on average I'd say yeah...

[–] Cyberflunk@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

the meta youve heard js harmful.

“Brandish or draw a gun…better be prepared to kill with it.” — Normative, but the law is dead serious.

Illinois doesn’t have a standalone “brandishing” statute; threatening display can be charged as assault (often aggravated assault when a deadly weapon is involved). Separately, deadly force is only justified if you reasonably believe it’s necessary to prevent imminent death/serious bodily harm (or a forcible felony). Drawing in a way that threatens without lawful justification can be a crime.

[–] whereyaaat@lemmings.world -3 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

The meta I’ve heard is also that, if you’re gonna brandish or draw a gun, you’d better be prepared to kill with it.

That's dumb as fuck.

Glad I stopped trying to find logic in the average person.

[–] Anti_Iridium@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

You say that, but my father, when I was I growing up, told me that the only thing you're supposed to aim a gun at is something you want to destroy.

[+] whereyaaat@lemmings.world -6 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (2 children)

Aiming a gun isn't the same as brandishing or drawing it.

Maybe your father should've spent less time teaching you about guns and more time helping you with your English homework.

Glad I stopped trying to find logic in the average person.

Thanks for reinforcing this.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Aiming a gun isn’t the same as brandishing or drawing it.

I think it's a distinction without a difference when you're in a situation where both parties have firearms (and one party has the backing of the state and a monopoly on violence).

[–] NihilsineNefas@slrpnk.net 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Please demonstrate this by aiming your gun at a cop and arguing that you weren't brandishing with however many brand new holes.

[–] whereyaaat@lemmings.world -4 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (2 children)

Are you fucking stupid?

Aiming a gun at a cop is significantly worse than brandishing. Why would I try to argue what you're saying unless I'm an idiot?

Oh, wait a minute. Gotta tap the sign.

Glad I stopped trying to find logic in the average person.

Also ignored. I know I won't be able to tolerate any more drivel from someone like you.

[–] ThunderQueen@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

In colorado last month, a teen was shot dead by police for simply saying he was going to shoot up a business. No fire arm was involved on his part. Just an aggrevated teen having a mental health crisis. The mental health crisis team didnt even get a chance to show up. The cops killed the kid within 5 minutes of getting there.

The cops here dont give a fuck about the distinction. They are trained to shoot to kill once they feel scared in america. By the IDF.

[–] shaggyb@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

Keep going, you'll cum soon.

[–] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 hours ago

Sounds like you're the average person.

The only reason to open carry to a protest is as a threat. But if all you do is carry then it's an empty threat. Don't make threats you're not willing to follow through on. And this is a dumb threat to try to follow through on.

Also a lot of the people who are against ICE are also against guns, which is pretty obvious. You don't need to be embedded in us politics to know this.

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