Am I dumb or is the the reply nonsense
this post was submitted on 07 Oct 2025
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Seems nonsense to me, no clue what it means or more crucially if it's even a good or bad thing.
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After arguing with some.people about things and finally going and reading a bunch of shit, I'm pretty sure it's in reference to the people that were at a rave like ~4 miles from Gaza and a military base that was a target for the oct 7 attack, and because of the proximity there was lots of confusion about who was military or civilian. Also one thing I read said the rave location was announced like 1 day before, so Hamas also did not know it was happening. Anyways a bunch of people died and were taken hostage from it
So basically BE is alluding to "Coachella” (the rave) next to "Auschwitz"(Gaza) and blaming the capture/death on the people who went there
Don't forget that Israel also had intel regarding an upcoming attack but took no action.
https://warontherocks.com/2024/10/israels-oct-7-early-warning-failure-who-is-to-blame/
https://www.timesofisrael.com/top-us-lawmaker-affirms-cairo-warned-israel-days-before-onslaught/
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israel-s-shin-bet-received-intelligence-prior-to-oct-7-attack-report/3094202
Many other sources to be found online.
True, was just explaining the particular thing I believe BE to be referencing
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We can denounce Israel without justifying other atrocities. Do better.
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Khamas kidnapped my baby from inside the IDF tank he was piloting
I can't tell if BE is being sympathetic to zohrans statement or not
Seems like a decent enough statement for his current situation with being associated with the DNC tbh, and I don't really watch BE or know his opinions on zohran
Okay but do you seriously think, in this political climate where everyone is cucked by Israel, that he could have gotten anywhere near the attention and support to win his election by not saying Oct 7 was bad? He was the most progressive/socialist candidate on the field, and honestly it's stupid that he has to repeatedly talk about Israel in the first place, when he had zero power to change anything about our relations with Israel/the genocide.
And even then, the most I've ever seen him 'denounce imperialism' is to say Oct 7 was bad, which if you think that crosses the line you are out of touch with our political reality. Hell, I think in one of the debates he refused to even do the whole 'i condemn hamas' bit, and was pretty much fully critical of Israel
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The "progressive" Democrats, DSA, Justice Democrats, and all other groups are a failed experiment.
No matter how many times it is tried, it is a failed strategy.
We must build an independent, from-the-duopoly, working-class party and movement.
Chris Smalls and Kshama Sawant are great examples of people working towards this.
Links:
That's not really going go help by the next few elections starting out from scratch. The new head of the DNC is rather progressive.
It is not from scratch; these are an ongoing process, many decades in the making.
New groups are formed, and old groups continue to do the grassroots work.
The duopoly propaganda is what keeps the working class and poor from learning about them.
Bernie Sanders and AOC were also "progressives" until it came to the Palestinian people.
The system changes you; you don't change the system from within.
We can see this happening already with Zohran Mamdani.
Who should I vote for in the next election to help with this process? People standing up against the Democrats stance on Palestine and Israel really helped this last time.
I agree the two party system is completely broken but it's too late to switch to these new groups. Would have been much easier under a Harris term or in 2016.
it’s too late to switch to these new groups.
I disagree.
It is not too late; organizing and growing a grassroots movement will always be required.
Would have been much easier under a Harris term or in 2016.
This lie was also told under Obama and Genocide Joe. It will not be easy under any duopoly pseudo-populist.
Third-party wins on the local level are happening, but they are ignored by the media and duopoly.
I follow this mantra:
"We should focus our actions, time, and resources on Direct Action, Mutual Aid, and Community Outreach. If you do engage in Electoral Politics do not support the Duopoly (Red or Blue Team). No War but Class War!"
I totally agree with the grassroots movements I'm part of my local one but on the larger stage no action has been accomplished and you still have yet to provide any actual actions that can be performed now and in the next election. Unfortunately we'll be locked into this two party system for the future and a third option is non viable.
any actual actions that can be performed now and in the next election.
Organizing the working class against the duopoly. This starts by being a part of your local community.
Unfortunately we’ll be locked into this two party system for the future and a third option is non viable.
The main point is not voting for the duopoly and helping third parties.
Again:
"We should focus our actions, time, and resources on Direct Action, Mutual Aid, and Community Outreach."
Joining and continuing to help grow these working-class movements is the goal.
You may not like my answer, but it is the only way to push for working-class struggles.
It is not and never will be easy, but it must be done.
Appreciate the info, I'm going to keep volunteering and donating and helping grassroots wherever I can but also going to be helping thinktanks like Leaders we Deserve who are helping to shape the future of the DNC for actionable change at the larger level. Have a good weekend
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Would have been much easier under a Harris term or in 2016.
BlueMAGA Dems just casually pretending that 2020 to 2024 never happened.
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