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Banned from Manufacturing Consent for correcting numbers (media.piefed.ca)

submitted 19 hours ago by MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca to c/yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com

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Community description for ManufacturingConsent is "when the media decides who you are rooting for." So, being banned for questioning their narrative strikes me as absurdly funny. I mean, I guess if the idea of the community is that geneva_convenience should decide whom you root for, that would track.

The post in question: https://piefed.ca/post/266435

(I pointed out that the Guardian was probably including the hostages who died after the attacks. This really bugged OP and led to a ban.)

I don't really care for a remedy, seems a silly place. Just thought it was funny as heck.

(For what it's worth, like most, I side with Palestine but I think being accurate lends credence to our cause.)

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[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 13 minutes ago* (last edited 9 minutes ago)

YDI, You're not really correcting numbers but speculating. And again it's worth noting that many if not all zio detainees were killed by zionist attacks. Many of these murders were far after the initial resistance. The ICE comparison is really weak and gross.

So the article is misleading and you're just feeding into it with more propaganda/speculation.

[–] rustyfish@piefed.world 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Your problem is a mod who doesn’t give a fuck about the people of Palestine but uses every single inch to cry about the west being bad. Also gets comedically angry when disagreed with.

Just tag with “do not engage” and you’ll be safe. Other than that there is nothing that can be done really.

[–] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca 2 points 17 minutes ago* (last edited 15 minutes ago)

Oh absolutely, like I said, I really don't care, I just found the irony hilarious.

Edit: though great point about the notes, happily discovered piefed has that feature too! Much appreciated!

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 5 points 12 hours ago

PTB

though they don't have any rules listed, big red flag

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 35 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (3 children)

Being upset over a difference of 61 is pretty dumb in and of itself. It’s less than 6% discrepancy even if you don't count hostages killed in Gaza.

There’s plenty of occurrences of media manipulation around this conflict, this doesn’t even register on my radar at all. Like “Oh I was just a few dozen deaths short of having sympathy for Israel”

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 6 points 10 hours ago

Being charitable, I'm wondering if they were trying to criticise the guardian making no distinction between soldiers and civilians killed on October 7th.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 16 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

What's confusing is that it felt like MyBrainHurts was doing a gotcha on a gotcha, and then it fell down a rabbit hole from there.

But more than that...

Say ICE kidnaps a pair of kids in the morning. In the afternoon, the distraught parents see them in a detention van and try to get them back. In the commotion, one of the kids dies.

Like, I don't think MyBrainHurts is being deliberate in the language, but "one kid dies in the commotion" rings a big "cop-talk" alarm bell. The whole argument feels dumb and petty, hashed out by two people with no control of the horror in the outside world. And because of the vacuum of activism that is the internet, they waste their time snipping at each other rather than finding a better use for their restless energy.

[–] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

To each their own! I just wanted an analogy where I was pretty sure they would want to take the other side.

(It just seems wild to me that geneva's arguing that the kidnapped people shouldn't count in the totals.)

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago

I don't even read that much. Just seems like they're sniping at one another over semantics and vibes.

[–] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca 9 points 18 hours ago

Like “Oh I was just a few dozen deaths short of having sympathy for Israel”

This is really well put and cracked me up.

[–] cm0002@sh.itjust.works 26 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

It's not you, it's Lemmy.ml

[–] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca 10 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

.ml is a strange little place.

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org -1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Yes meanwhile on grad is

[–] cm0002@sh.itjust.works 5 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Lol can't imagine why a group of people or their supporters (which you now fall into) would want to spread scurrilous remarks about another group whose purpose is to document their toxic extremism.

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

The entire point of that community it specifically to instigate harassment.

whose purpose is to document their toxic extremism.

Do you think describing it this way makes not look like an odd place? This just reinforces it

[–] cm0002@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

The entire point of that community it specifically to instigate harassment.

Do you think describing it this way makes not look like an odd place? This just reinforces it

So says every extremist to have ever had evidence documented against them. I linked a megathread with extensive collected evidence that you have consistently refused to even look at, because you're too busy blindly defending a toxic ideology that praises authoritarian regimes.

So of course you're pulling a page from the authoritarian handbook and calling something setup to document and provide evidence against them every name on the book to discredit it. Classic.

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org -1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Til pointing out how bad the optics of a place are makes me an authoritarian.

Bonus it's in a thread where someone actually discrediting those pointing out news orgs supporting authoritarian Israel

[–] cm0002@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

LMAO

it's in a thread...about .ml yet again...censoring...dissent 😂

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org -1 points 1 hour ago

yes your honor I went in, took a shit on the floor but it's them who were mean for removing me

No it's a thread where a person minimizing news organizations news that would make Israel look bad is upset having that pointed out

[–] masquenox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Conflating the Palestinian resistance with ICE is pretty damn creepy in my book.

[–] Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (2 children)

I read it and I don't think it wasn't conflating them, I think it was just a simile. Granted, I think OP was wrong here and the simile didn't track because of it, but still, the ICE mentions could've been swapped with something entirely separate and the conversation would remain the same because it wasn't a direct comparison.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 hours ago

the ICE mentions could’ve been swapped with something entirely separate

If they swapped the comparisons with something appropriate - for instance, MK capturing white South Africans to trade for the thousands the Apartheid-regime kidnapped and disappeared - their point stops looking so obvious, doesn't it?

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 2 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Similes are rhetorical conflations. A conflation is generally an attempt to treat two similar ideas as roughly the same, which is the rhetorical purpose of a simile. If you didn't see the comparison between the two events and want to link the ideas in the audience's mind you would use different examples.

Tl;Dr the rhetorical act of comparing presumed like to like is usually a rhetorical act of conflation

[–] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca -5 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

Kidnapping civilians is unequivocally bad regardless of whether we think the kidnapper is on the right side of history.

Being unable to acknowledge the wrongs committed by those whom we support is pretty damn horrifying in my book. To see the same willfully ignorant "america/trump/the church can do no wrong" attitude but on the Left breaks my heart.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 6 hours ago

Kidnapping civilians is unequivocally bad

Really? We literally are forced to exist with taxpayer-funded institutions whose entire purpose is to kidnap civilians as part of their function to repress dissent - they are called police.

Fyi, I am absolutely conflating the institution of policing with that of Israel - it's perfectly justified as they are both colonialist and white supremacist creations.

Besides all that, Israel - like all colonialist entities - have, since it's invention, made little secret of the fact that they de facto make zero distinction between "civilians" and "combatants." Therefore, I see no need to hold the Palestinian resistance to the high standards that white liberalism have refused to apply to Israel for decades now - especially when the crimes (if they can even be called that) the Palestinian resistance have committed is downright microscopic in comparison to those perpetrated by Israel and it's benefactors for more than half a century now.

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works -2 points 3 hours ago

To see the same willfully ignorant “america/trump/the church can do no wrong” attitude but on the Left breaks my heart.

it's always been there lol

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Do you think Israel are the good guys in this situation?

Ignoring that they have Gaza as an open air prison, they have magnitudes more Palestinians in prison https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians_in_Israeli_custody.

[–] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca -3 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (2 children)

Did you mean to respond to another comment or did you completely miss the point?

Edit: to put it more politely... The entire above point is that rhe evil of Israel's war does not change whether murdering and kidnapping civilians is wrong.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 minutes ago

Gotta love when people come in here acting like the innocent victim and then take their mask off in the comments.

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

See this reinforces the removal you're complaining about.

The entire above point is that rhe evil of Israel's ~~war~~ genocide and colonial project does not change whether murdering and kidnapping civilians is wrong.

What you miss is at this point Israel has been ICE the entire time

Do you not understand why going into a thread about bias in reporting to make Israel look good then blaming Palestinians and equating hamas to ice would be frowned upon?

[–] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca 1 points 16 minutes ago

Read what you are responding to but carefully.

[–] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 22 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

That's geneva_convenience for ya. Avoid .ml communities like the plague, they're not very tolerant of any form of dissent. Geneva likes to paint a lot of people as Zionist without good reason.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 26 minutes ago* (last edited 24 minutes ago) (1 children)

Gotta stay in the safe lib zones where your indoctrination won't be challenged by a different but very similar indoctrination.

[–] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca 1 points 8 minutes ago

... Do you actually not see the irony in posting this in a thread about being banned from a community called Manufacturing Consent for noting a mistake?

That's kind of amazing, thank you.

[–] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca 5 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I really should keep an eye out for those comms and just avoid. At least any of the vaguely political ones!

(Just Manufacturing Consent feels like a trap designed for me as Chomsky's thoughts on this are super relevant and interesting so, like a fool, I fell into the trap.)

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 minutes ago* (last edited 6 minutes ago) (1 children)

Yes you should stay out of political comms with your garbage opinions. Glad that you realize this.

[–] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca 1 points 2 minutes ago

You've spent almost 20 minutes randomly commenting in this thread, surely you have something better to do?

[–] chloroken@lemmy.ml 4 points 15 hours ago

ZIONIST DOWN!

[–] Bonus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml

lemmy . ml - there's a big part of the problem right there

[–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

You can read it

reason Zionist

You have been sorted into the category of evil person by the mod and are banned because of that. Truth or facts don’t matter.

[–] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca 5 points 18 hours ago

Reality, my arch nemesis!