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Title of the (concerning) thread on their community forum, not voluntary clickbait. Came across the thread thanks to a toot by @Khrys@mamot.fr (French speaking)

The gist of the issue raised by OP is that framework sponsors and promotes projects lead by known toxic and racists people (DHH among them).

I agree with the point made by the OP :

The “big tent” argument works fine if everyone plays by some basic civil rules of understanding. Stuff like code of conducts, moderation, anti-racism, surely those things we agree on? A big tent won’t work if you let in people that want to exterminate the others.

I'm disappointed in framework's answer so far

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[–] TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (9 children)

Did the author bother contacting them first before treating them like utter garbage and trying to rile up a public lynch mob? Just because something is well known to you doesn't make it well known to everyone. If there are no alternatives with the feature set you are looking for, then sometimes you even have to overlook questionable authors, sort of like Lemmy. If it's open source and has a license that allows forks, it doesn't matter that much.

You use open source because of functionality. It didn't used to be too long ago when people bothered to prove other people wrong through example instead of persecution. If you never convince people they are wrong, you just favor them creating and being in as much of an echo chamber as yourself. Even when they can't be convinced, there are other people listening to the conversation.

We support open source software (and hardware), and partner with developers and maintainers across the ecosystem. We deliberately create a big tent, because we want open source software to win. We don’t partner based on individuals’ or organizations’ beliefs, values, or political stances outside of their alignment with us on increasing the adoption of open source software.

Even just from looking at it from a practical standpoint, it would sink just about any company if they have to go full FBI investigation for every single member. If you agree with OP so much, then why do you not agree with OP?

perhaps it is indeed best to let it rest for now. i’ll certainly sleep on it now! :slight_smile:

Some people want to watch the world burn bridges.

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[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 day ago

i guess no more framework for me.

[–] frozen@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 8 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Well I guess now I've gotta transition away from Hyprland. That fucking sucks, I just moved to it a month or so ago and really like the workflow. Anyone have suggestions for alternatives? Or I could just go back to KDE.

[–] mholiv@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

I’d recommend giving Niri a shot. It works quite well for me.

I'm going through the same thing. I'm checking out Sway, which seems to be very similar to Hyprland.

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[–] balance8873@lemmy.myserv.one 30 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

Wow framework sells a lot of computers to real fascist psychos. That thread is rough. Comment about ICE only arresting criminals would be hilarious if it weren't so pathetic. "I have immigrant friends" lol.

[–] lengau@midwest.social 30 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't care if they're selling computers to fascist psychos.

I do care that they're using their soapbox to promote those fascist psychos.

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[–] BombOmOm@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Wow framework sells a lot of computers to real fascist psychos

A computer company doesn't do a political evaluation of each of their customers. When was the last time you had to submit your political beliefs in order to buy a computer from...anywhere?

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[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 day ago

First rule of a PR crisis that has high online visibility is to stop talking.

[–] Auth@lemmy.world 88 points 2 days ago (40 children)

Phew, for a second I thought Framework had actually done something bad. But its just supporting Hyprland which is somehow considered a far right racist project because an unpaid moderator was transphobic in a discord server. People are really trying to squeeze everything they can from this discord drama that happened years ago.

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[–] AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world 34 points 1 day ago (33 children)

i do want to point out how hard it is to even find out about the views of these people, if you just look up the names of the projects and aren't specifically looking for this information there's no way you'll find anything about it

even looking up the name of David Heinemeier Hansson, the more vocally bad of these, i had to go to the 5th link to find anything even vaguely mentioning his views

[–] teolan@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It's pretty plain on DHH's blog: 

In 2000, more than sixty percent of the city were native Brits. By 2024, that had dropped to about a third. A statistic as evident as day when you walk the streets of London now.

I wonder what characteristic he uses to define « native brits » that can be seen when walking.

Or just take a look at his twitter. Which Framework obviously did since they retweet a lot of his posts...

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 1 day ago

A breakdown of DHHs racist post, in case people don't want to look up the original

https://jakelazaroff.com/words/dhh-is-way-worse-than-i-thought/

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 2 points 23 hours ago

The fuck is he on about even, he's Danish, not a native Brit. He should gtfo too if it's such an issue to him.

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