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Trump floats dropping Spain from NATO alliance (www.straitstimes.com)

submitted 9 hours ago by schizoidman@lemmy.zip to c/world@lemmy.world

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[–] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 hour ago

Sure bro, the US is the main character and the other countries are just NPCs

[–] SkabySkalywag@lemmy.world 1 points 32 minutes ago

Ah. I think his brilliant plan is to replace Spain with Argentina.

[–] ms_lane@lemmy.world 7 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Better article- https://www.politico.eu/article/trump-suggests-booting-laggard-spain-from-nato-over-defense-spending/

[–] paris@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 4 hours ago

This article doesn't even say why Spain isn't committing to the 5% target. The article OP crossposted says why in the first few sentences:

But Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez said at the time that he would not commit to the 5 per cent target, calling it “incompatible with our welfare state and our world vision”.

Not sure how the Politico article is better in this case since it seems less informative.

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 40 points 8 hours ago

Please stop sanewashing Rump's ramblings, which are as numerous and wild and pointless as... meh, I'm all out of analogies.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 52 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

What a turd

[–] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 60 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

That's not how NATO works. He can't kick out somebody because he wants to.

NATO is agreement they all members are committed to defend each other in case of attack.

What he is actually doing is trying to divide and break NATO for his boss, putin.

From his actions so far I'm worried that if Russia attacks Europe, not only US won't help, he will be actively sabotaging any operations.

[+] sapousername@kbin.earth -18 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

No man, he's trying to use this thing to divide Europe. US (not only Trump, even all previous presidents) don't like EU, it's a problem for the geopolitical monopoly of US. In this historical period, US need to reaffirm their economical superiority and want to call their vassals to the order. But EU is an obstacle to the US vassalage project, so they want to destroy it. They help anti-EU movements and at the same time the pro US parties. They impose double taxes and military expenditure (that is another tax). They pretend to EU trades only with US and US vassals by requiring economic taxes against China and support to Israel. They put at war the EU in Ukraine to stress it's economy. And now, their just using another opportunity to stress the relationships between UE states, because now Italy, Hungary, Polony, and France (which is a soon-to-be right-wing US friend) need to take position about it, and are just looking forward to have another opportunity to divide EU.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

they put at war the EU in Ukraine

Oh wow yeah, that must be why we’re seeing all the Bundeswehr and Armee de Terre and Wojsko Polskie and so on casualties in the war as they fight against Russia.

Except that’s utter bullshit and none of it is true. What the fuck are you smoking?

I don’t disagree that the current US regime is doing its best to undermine EU unity, but at the same time, don’t parrot idiotic and patently false Kremlin talking points.

[–] sapousername@kbin.earth -3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

sorry, maybe my English is not clear, I meant to say that the war in Ukraine has been looked forward by the US

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Uh… no…?

Before the war started, Biden’s administration executed one of the most shrewd and incisive applications of intelligence sharing and publication to categorically disprove not only Putin’s smoke screen of “we’re totally not planning on invading Ukraine”, but also pretty much their entire casus belli.

After the war started - and before the current regime took power - there was a frustratingly long period of time where the US more or less hung Ukraine out to dry, and we only started seriously supporting them (in a similarly frustratingly piecemeal and nannying fashion) pretty far into the active phase of the war.

There’s an argument to be made that the Biden admin’s policy towards the war was aimed at bleeding Russia out; while I agree that there’s something to that with regard to the outcome of that policy, I honestly think Jake Sullivan (Biden’s NS advisor) being such a categorical limpdick with infuriatingly outdated worldviews, particularly with regard to Russia, was the primary driver of why things were so stingy and halting for so long. The attrition was much more an effect of that hemming and hawing, and much less the actual intent - at least, until towards the very end of the administration’s tenure… at which point leaning into the attrition strategy was blindingly fucking stupid, considering the incoming regime’s obvious predilections.

I don’t think it’s coherent to try to tie the Biden admin’s policy - frustrating, myopic, and stuttering as it was in many ways - to how the current regime is trying to orchestrate things, for several reasons:

Orangeboi is still kind of obviously super Russophilic for deeply suspicious reasons
Orangeboi et al have an extremely transactional, zero-sum, and kissingeresque worldview, and are demonstrably quite frustrated that Ukraine isn’t acquiescing to being treated like a nice little obedient pawn
Orangeboi personally dislikes Zelenskyy, and orangeboi is notorious for letting petty personal disputes dictate his actions, and is further notorious for holding the most insanely stupid and spiteful grudges far beyond the bounds of logic and reasonability
Orangeboi detests his political opponents, to the point where his regime is disassembling pretty much every single thing not associated directly with him, simply out of spite and animosity

[–] Damage@feddit.it 1 points 2 minutes ago

The war in Ukraine didn't start during the Biden administration, it started in 2014 with the Euromaidan, where both Russian and Western assets certainly played a role in the events, resulting in the annexation of Crimea and the "civil war" in Donbas where Russian paramilitaries and unmarked actual militaries operated.

I support the Ukrainian peoples' right to self determination and reject war as tool to settle disputes, but saying the US has no responsibility in starting the war is just dishonest. If they wanted they could have assuaged Russia, it's not like they actually care about Ukrainian people, but it was in their interest for this war to happen, so they stoked the fire. Is it solely their responsibility? No of course, Russia is the one actually waging war, but please let's be objective.

[–] Enkrod@feddit.org 26 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

The US put the EU at war in Ukraine?

I'd say the war in Ukraine is the direct result of the illegal Russian invasions in 2014 and 2022 and the ongoing war of aggression, but go off buddy.

Apart from that, yes, the EU is inconvenient for every other bigger power, this includes the single remaining mayor power, the american empire.

[–] sapousername@kbin.earth -1 points 2 hours ago

Yes, the US looked forward the war in Ukraine because it was another obstacle for the EU economy and its dependance on Russia and the commitment of the EU in it. It was also a way to make EU more tied to the US vassals than what it was before

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 6 points 8 hours ago

A floater

[–] Auk@lemmy.world 32 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Chinga tu madre culo

[–] Soggy@lemmy.world 12 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I know enough of those words to agree!

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 7 points 6 hours ago

I only know the middle two, but that's enough

[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 20 points 7 hours ago

So he just thinks Spain isn't buying enough from the USA's outlet store.

[–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 11 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

All the American politicians that managed to persuade foreign states to voluntarily join an "alliance" where one "ally" is dominating everything, decisions, how much land for bases and so on, are all rolling in their graves now

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 hour ago

Back when Russia/Soviet Union still had actual power it was a much better deal for Europe.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 4 points 4 hours ago

Trump is a fiddle with two strings. One is extortion, and the other is the rug-pull.

[–] jjpamsterdam@feddit.org 7 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

The greatest trick the United States ever pulled was convincing the countries in its sphere of influence that they were allies on equal footing.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

They probably didn't need much convincing given they really needed American money.

[–] TheLunatickle@lemmy.zip 3 points 6 hours ago

*Guns not money, they needed time to recover before Russia did a Russia again and invaded it's neighbours.

[–] notsure@fedia.io 6 points 8 hours ago

..what is a treaty?..

[–] Cybersteel@lemmy.world 0 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Why're we using straits times, a state owned newspaper by the Chinese government??

[–] schizoidman@lemmy.zip 7 points 4 hours ago

The Straits Times, launched on July 15, 1845, is an English-language newspaper based in Singapore.

Singapore Press Holdings currently owns The Straits Times

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-straits-times/

[–] paris@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Does the article have any problems you'd like to point out, or are we just being weird and racist for the fun of it? The Straights Times is Singaporean, not Chinese. The only link I can find between The Straights Times and the government of China is from a few months ago when the CEO met with several Chinese state-run news agencies to discuss collaborating to "tell the story of the two countries’ development and people-to-people friendship." That's the only link I can find. The Singaporean news outlet is most definitely not "a state owned newspaper by the Chinese government."

Edit: The Straights Times is republishing this article by Reuters. Any complaints you have would be directed there, not at The Straights Times. You're being weird.

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

Straits