This is a community in the spirit of "Am I The Asshole" where people can post their own bans from lemmy or reddit or whatever and get some feedback from others whether the ban was justified or not.
Sometimes one just wants to be able to challenge the arguments some mod made and this could be the place for that.
All posts should follow this basic structure:
Expect to receive feedback about your posts, they might even be negative.
Make sure you follow this instance's code of conduct. In other words we won't allow bellyaching about being sanctioned for hate speech or bigotry.
YTPB matrix channel: For real-time discussions about bastards or to appeal mod actions in YPTB itself.
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Argument about why an instance doesn't want to federate with another instance that's devoted to political trolling. Apparently that kind of behavior is simply a core tenet of the belief system, and to criticize it is to reject the whole ideology.
Holy God... you are talking to Cowbee. Rookie mistake.
I have no idea about the substance of your ban, because I got bored before coming anywhere close to reading the whole thread, but more or less, the type of behavior you encountered is why these guys are banned in a lot of places. It's weird transparently dishonest boosterism combined with claiming the right to "destroy" and troll anyone who is an enemy, also lying about what your opponents believe and why they believe it, and then getting aggressive with anyone who dares to disagree, and then inevitably whining about the colossal ideological unfairness when they inevitably get banned.
lemmy.ml and Cowbee are best left alone I think, except periodically to point the way out to freedom for anyone who's wandered into their orbit accidentally.
For anyone reading: The context is here, including Cowbee being published on lemmy.world while aggressively whining that his team is forbidden from speaking on lemmy.world for ideological reasons, and then this comment (from this thread) as I guess the final instigation for the ban:
No, you directly lied in the face of evidence and claimed no bolding happened
Wrong.
You’re fully aware of the absurdity of your replies, any treatment of your “points” as anything other than the trolling they’ve been would be fruitless.
Projection. Open invitation to stop playing this little game and engage with my response.
This one made me laugh though. You're not wrong. I get the impulse to want to spend extensive time trying to prove Cowbee wrong and hope he or someone involved will see the error of him, but that's the playing-chess-with-the-pigeon game, probably a tactical mistake to spend too much time on.
You gotta imaging anyone spending as much time as them anywhere on the internet, doing that much typing, being so obtuse and weird.
They will always respond. They have infinite time and energy, they will never engage your argument in any form of good faith unless it exactly meets their political requirements, and their job is to find a way to find classify you as an out group the minute you wrong- think.
Engage if you want with that in mind, they also won't block you, which is fun in a different way.
Sealioning is such a bankrupt, speculative redditism to begin with. If someone's questioning isn't worth your time, then don't answer them: problem solved. We certainly don't need big daddy moderator trying to divine into the hearts & minds of questioners to decide whether they feign ignorance or are actually stupid.
Posing inane questions is as valid as anything in an online discussion. Socratic dialectic doesn't need sincere questions: it questions assumptions until we realize our ignorance. Asking uncomfortable questions is the point. I imagine Socrates & other philosophers who challenged conventionality by relentlessly questioning "obvious things" (especially when someone's not giving a real answer) would likely get banned for "sealioning".
With this case, I see Cowbee mischaracterizing the lemmy.world announcement to defederate from hexbear. lemmy.world admins saw irregularities in an instance announcement that raised doubts in the disposition of hexbear admins to seriously regulate brigading (another bankrupt redditism). In announcements usually reserved for boring admin business (policies, upgrades, federation), while hexbear admins wrote
Please read and respect the rules of the community instance in which you are posting/commenting.
they also included unnecessary statements promoting a common
that could motivate users toward a concerted action (ie, brigading). Foreboding comments indicated risk of an ideological crusade from their users
that energy would be better funneled into the current war against liberalism on the wider fediverse.
Communists must unite to oppose the liberal tendencies shown by certain people among us, and set them on the right path. This is one of the tasks on our ideological front.
Why did hexbear team need to write exhortative rhetoric there & what is it encouraging? The lemmy.world team thought it was pretty clear:
The rhetoric and goal of Hexbar are clear based on their announcement: to “dismantle western propaganda” and "demolish organizations such as NATO” shows that Hexbar has no intention of "respecting the rules of the community instance in which they are posting/commenting.” It’s to push their beliefs and ideology.
We've all seen how overbearing tankies get. Regardless of my thoughts on brigading, the lemmy.world admins clearly stated their position that hexbear poses a credible risk as a brigading hive with a questionable admin team they'd rather not deal with.
Cowbee mischaracterized it as a mere disagreement between ideologies when answering "why dot world blocked the commie instances"
Essentially, for having stances common to communists (opposing western hegemony is a big one they took issue with). Lemmy.world is run by your standard DNC-style liberals, they generally oppose Marxism and communism, and uphold the DNC as good. Some are also zionists.
This disregards the lemmy.world opposition to brigades going on crusades to "push their beliefs and ideology": that's an anti-brigading position and not a position defending a particular ideology, which (as "A generic Lemmy server for everyone to use") they don't claim (unlike hexbear).
I see null try to challenge Cowbee on this by quoting those ideological, agenda-setting statements (that had no good reason to be) in the hexbear announcement & user comments that promised a troublesome campaign to proselytize the fediverse, and I see Cowbee persistently evade by disregarding the elements indicating problematic conduct & not explaining why that nonsense was necessary. Cowbee would write loose interpretations that don't quote anything directly until one of their comments referred to a bolded line by confusingly combining words from 3 different lines (2 bolded lines & 1 unbolded line) from the lemmy.world announcement:
Why did they bold the line about the left wanting to dismantle the IMF, NATO, etc?
On careful interpretation, one could figure out which line they were referring to, but null didn't, and I admittedly thought Cowbee was referring to an unbolded line containing the words "IMF", "NATO", too at first: it was pointless confusion that should have just been a direct quote. Whether that line was bolded or not was tangential to the discussion. That didn't stop pointless fixation on the confusion (Cowbee had created in my opinion) from derailing the discussion until null conceded (cheap victory for Cowbee), and it didn't stop Cowbee from claiming null lied to their face, so they could continue evading the actual dispute.
That wasn't sealioning. That was just persistence with someone who would persistently try to evade.
Based upon your wording, ESH.