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[–] Pat_Riot@lemmy.today 10 points 1 day ago

You spelled dissolved wrong.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)
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[–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 51 points 2 days ago (21 children)

I mean, it's really both. Hamas is batshit crazy, they're just far less militarily powerful.

There are no good guys in the Israel Palestine fight.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 42 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If one stops trying to subjugate the other, the other should hopefully slowly start to be calm down about the subjugation.

Years and years of people stealing land, burning houses, shooting unarmed protesters and prosecuting people unfairly only leads to more hatred, more conflict, and more war.

If there was any chance of a free and fair election in Palestine that could elect something else it would be good, but only would end up different if it came without Israel's interference and them actually staying out of Palestine. Governments like Israel and the U.S. or U.K. trying to put anyone on the ground there is more likely to cause conflicts. Where as if the UN countries all agreed to cut all trade with Israel if they didn't stop trying to instigate shit.. Israel would likely listen, or dissolve over time if they didn't. The only people who should be on the ground there is investigate journalists and AID from around the world to help those people rebuild and leave whatever can be left behind them behind them

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 21 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (6 children)

Honest question:

Why are the US and other countries, backing Israel so hard? I've heard they have an amazing spy system, and it seems to be only politicians that back Israel unconditionally. Is it blackmail, keeping our fuck ups as status quo, or maybe "Hamas is evil no matter what?"

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 27 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (7 children)

No, it's cultural affinity (polite way of saying racism) and economic interests (polite way of saying colonialism).

Same reason why the entire western world was fully supportive of South Africa during Apartheid

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 29 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's also propaganda, AIPAC has been pushing the idea of Israel devotion for decades in the US. I'd imagine there's similar lobbying groups (in less obvious forms) in other countries as well.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Falls under cultural affinity.

It also takes other forms, that are not always very explicitly racist. In Greece for example, a country with a traditionally anti-imperialist people (Papandreou and Arafat were really besties), Israel has become a strategic ally to contain against Turkish aggression. Even Tsipras was cordial with Bibi. Take away Erdogan's sabre rattling and Greece would probably revert back to sanity.

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[–] Siegfried@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago

Where i live (argentina), Israel's agenda is pushed in almost every news outlet, especially from the right. Some journalists even wear Israeli pins and have Israeli flags on their desks. And, for real, we couldn't care less about the near east (dont get me wrong, but i think you will agree that we have our own set of domestic problems). For what I see and what I hear that happens in other parts of the west, I feel that "cultural affinity" isn't the only card on their hand.

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[–] jimmy90@lemmy.world -1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

also you must be deradicalized, and everyone else on lemmy

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[–] Capricorn_Geriatric@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

There are no good guys in the Israel Palestine fight.

Of course there aren't. Especially not the (checks notes) starving civilians, children, the elderly, the disabled and the people wanting to live a normal life. They're ceratainly not "in the fight". They're not right beside it, either. They're magical beings made up by Khamas to make the world hate Israel.

Both sides are the same. That's why one should genocide the other. It is the natural order of the world, after all.

Come on, dude/dudette. It's not about sides. It's about people. But there's one thing about sides I do know: there's one side of history you're on. And it's exactly the wrong one.

[–] Mrkawfee@feddit.uk 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

"82% of Israelis want to expel Palestinians from Gaza; 47% want to kill every man, woman, child in Gaza"

https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2025/05/30/poll-israelis-expel-palestinians-gaza-genocide/

I doubt you'd have the same number from Palestinians because they are not indoctrinated from birth to dehumanise, like the Israelis are. There's a reason corporate media in the West never interview "normal" israelis

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[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago (21 children)

Hamas accept the two state solution. Israel doesn't

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[–] frostysauce@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Did you just "bOth SiDeS" a genocide?

[–] despite_velasquez@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago (34 children)

Secular Palestinian Political Organisations existed, Bibi supported Hamas specifically to weaken the secular flanks, because it’s way easier to justify a genocide against Hamas

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[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 day ago

Fatah. Marwan Barghouti. Palestinian civil society calling for BDS.

Just because Israel wants the Hamas scarecrow as its opponent doesn't mean the rest of Palestinian society is irrelevant.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 13 points 2 days ago

Hamas is batshit crazy, they're just far less militarily powerful.

What? Hamas's position of "give us a Palestinian state and we'll give them our weapons" is very reasonable. Their lack of respect for civilian lives is one thing, but "batshit crazy" ain't it. Why do you think they're batshit crazy?

[–] baltakatei@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 day ago

Hamas is crazy as Crazy Horse was “crazy”. You know what both have/had in common? They are/were fighting displacement of their friends and family due to colonizing powers. The only difference is the latter's people suffered almost complete annihilation while the former is a work on progress. If the British didn't insist on making Palestine their reservation for Jews, then Palestinian freedom fighters wouldn't have had to fight Zionists violently encroaching upon their native land.

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[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 21 points 1 day ago

benjamin needs to be prosecuted like he shouldve been, before he got the PM position again.

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

I thought it was hugely funny that after two years of bombing to erase hamas, hamas still stands up armed as if they were never sffected

[–] Cornpop@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

It’s both let’s be real

[–] allo@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

its the aliens that are making the illuminati cause wars who are at fault.

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