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I’ve always heard that Democrats in America would be considered a “right leaning” party in Europe, however I’ve wondered about someone who considers themselves progressive, where they would line up on the spectrum in Europe.

For example I want:

  • Universal Healthcare
  • UBI
  • Taxation of the rich
  • Marriage and general equality for LGBTQ+ persons
  • Better public transport and corresponding social services for all people

Is there something I’m missing in my views, or is that generally what left leaning progressives are looking for in Europe?

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[–] litchralee@sh.itjust.works 30 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

One thing which isn't immediately apparent, even to Americans themselves, is that the large American political parties are less equivalent to individual political parties elsewhere, and are closer to "uneasy coalitions", like those found in Europe involving multiple parties trying (and maybe failing) to form a government. That makes it harder to draw broad conclusions like "USA Democrats would be right-of-center" because progressives and "DINOs" (Democrats in name only) within the party would be left-wing or right-wing, respectively. Logically, the same applies to the Republican party, although ranging from right-wing RINOs (Republicans in name only) and "moderate Republicans", to the far-right factions of the party, like neo-Nazis and MAGA.

With that said, what you're describing sounds similar to social democracy. Not to be confused with democratic socialism, which is generally further along to the left than social democracy, with the goal to reform the state (or specifically, individual US States) away from private ownership of the means of production and away from capitalism. When Bernie Sanders of Vermont says "I am a socialist", his positions align well to European social democracy, even though he originally described himself as "democratic socialist".

For an example of democratic socialism activities taking place in the USA, consider that the state of Virginia purchased a 35 mile (56 km) freight railroad west of Alexandria, in order to stop paying rent to privately-owned Norfolk Southern railroad and to enable expansion of the existing state-sponsored Amtrak commuter train service serving that region. The acquisition was both cost-effective and still preserves freight train access, but now it's the state that controls what goes on those rails, much like how they regulate the weight and dimensions of what travels on the public roadways.

But I must reiterate that the precise definition of political ideology is less important than community-building, since that's how ideology becomes reality. If you can find a party whose well-stated values you support, then do what you can to help them achieve their goals. That's going to be more valuable than taxonomy.

[–] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 4 days ago

Europe is neither a country nor a single culture. The political spectrum isn't the same between Portugal, Sweden, and Poland. Different histories lead to different culture and politics

[–] Fairgreen@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago (2 children)

America needs to move to a multi party system (only possible with direct representation and without regional representation). This would open up so many possibilities for Americans

[–] Successful_Try543@feddit.org 3 points 4 days ago

only possible with direct representation and without regional representation

Multi party systems work also with regional representation if both approaches, regional and federal, are mixed.

[–] Zexks@lemmy.world 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

We have a multi party system. This is what happens naturally to multi party sustems after many itterations. This has been explained ad neausum all over the internet.

[–] Fairgreen@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Wdym that they become 2party systems? I disagree this is a result of regional representation and first past the post election systems. Countries that don't have that, but have more sensible election systems, don't have 2 parties at all. Many of those countries are much older than the US, by the way :p

[–] Zexks@lemmy.world 0 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Its not a 2 party system. Holy fuck. No wonder you cant understamd.

[–] Fairgreen@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago

Let me guess, Republican right? It sounds like you have an ideological reason for keeping things the way they are in the US. What people mean when they say the US has a 2party system friend, is that it is a 2party system in practise, even though not formally. The reason that it becomes 2party in practise, is because of the American first past the post election system and also because its regional representation system. Both keep smaller parties from gaining power and making a threat to the bigger parties. In countries without those 2 systems, like many European countries, democracies commonly have many more political parties in practise, and power switches between them, and there are often coalitions to create a majority. This is both better for minority groups as well as for preventing power becoming entrenched, both of which are good for democracy and freedom. Also your argument that many multi party systems eventually move to 2 parties having lower is really not true, just have a look at all European countries that don't have regional representation and first past the post election systems.

[–] jjpamsterdam@feddit.org 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

From what I understand the Democratic Party in the United States is a wide tent that includes people who consider themselves to be democratic socialists all the way to middle of the road, don't rock the boat kind of folks. While the former might feel at home in a European social democratic party or perhaps even a socialist party, the latter would likely find more common ground among the liberal (in the economic meaning of that term) or conservative/christian democratic parties.

The main difference I feel is that most European countries have representative democracies with proportional representation in their parliament. This usually avoids the lost vote effect if you vote for smaller parties. Therefore, what are usually the wings of larger parties in the United States, would be separate parties altogether in most European countries.

Having said that the core of the Democratic Party and the majority of people in power and office from that party over the last decade or two have been centrists at heart. Even when given the opportunity they didn't introduce any true universal healthcare. They didn't address the fact that the minimum wage doesn't reflect the rising costs most people face. They didn't address the rapidly growing inequality. They didn't move the needle on any public transport infrastructure projects. They successfully kept the country running and the economy growing while not seriously changing anything about the underlying structure of the nation. This is evidence enough for me to assert that the Democratic Party would probably be somewhere around Merkel's CDU, Rutte's VVD or perhaps Macron's party (whatever name it's currently going by) in terms of ideology.

[–] DomeGuy@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Your analysis completely ignores the impact of the US Senate's wonky "cloture" rule, which is a compromise from the prior practice of the US Senate filibuster.

As depicted in way too many movies, the filibuster let any single senator (or small team or senators) essentially veto any piece of legislation by putting the whole thing to a halt. The modern rule instead (in essence) requires any act.of Congress to clear a 60% vote threshold in the Senate.

There hasn't been a time in my entire life when the modern democratic party held the presidency, a majority in the house, and 3/5ths of the Senate. (Clinton had a party with segregation-era racists still in power; Obama had "blue dogs" who were nearly Republican, and Biden had a coal baron and a green party scam artist in the Senate )

[–] jjpamsterdam@feddit.org 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I didn't believe that specific rule to be relevant to the argument. The Democratic Party includes a wide range of opinions that, in most European countries, would be represented by several different parties. While there are some fringes on the right (Clinton's racists for example) and some fringes on the left (some Democrats even refer to themselves as democratic socialists despite being closer to social democrats in my opinion). The mainstream that has dominated all three presidencies you mentioned would likely find themselves among small c conservative or (economically) liberal parties in most European political systems that I know.

[–] DomeGuy@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Political parties are creations of the electoral and governmental systems in the nations they exist in

"Most European nations" is an imprecise way of saying "dominant parlimentary unicameral legislatures". To use the UK as an example, all sovereign power is asserted by the lower democratically elected chamber of parliment. Neither the house of lords nor the king counter the assembled majority of parliment,.who from its own members appoint those who direct the government day to day. While there is a sub-national distinction, these are essentially creations of parliment and have no inherent power on their own.

Since the only thing that matters in national UK politics is parliament, all of the political energy is focused there.

In the United States this is not at all the case.. national power is split as I described before, and a similar pattern repeats at the state level with distinct difectly-elected legislators and executives. The national government was historically a creation of the states, and each state has substantial ability to act in defiance of congress's preferences.

Since there are so many different things that matter, the value of a third or fourth party is dramatically reduced. When minor parties start to win elections on their own, the major parties either adapt or die quickly. (I have remarked elsewhere that in American politics "there is no prize for second place", and a worthwhile collolary here would be "and there are so many games to play.")

You are technically correct in that if God came down and reworked all of the USA into distinct european-style nations with separate languages we would likely have similar party arrangements, with both the Democrats and the Republicans splitting into multiple parties. But if God also remade Europe into a single USA-style mega-nation made up of states with similar governments who shared a single first-language, European parties would likely congeal until there are only two.

As a practical matter, of course, neither is not a useful observations. And simplified observations of the differences between "Europe" and the USA like "the USA is far to the right of Europe" were part of what led the UK to devolve into a place where you can be threatened to silence for accurately describing a rich transphobe.

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 7 points 4 days ago

European views can be just as progressive or blinkered as anywhere else in the world I guess.

Different European countries have different parties.

Some of them might be "center left" or "center right" and usually both would comfortably fit under the umbrella that is "Democrats" in the US.

The things you want might already exist in your European State of choice. If not, some of it might be covered by any of the large parties. At least partially. Of course you can always vote further left if you want.

I don't think unconditional UBI is a realistic ask atm, but otoh the social net is stronger or much stronger, compared to the US.

All your simple points are actually pretty complex if you look at it from within a country & its existing policies.

[–] TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I don't want UBI, as that perpetuates money and capitalism, I want universal distribution of resources.

[–] jwiggler@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 days ago

You should check out the last chapter of Bullshit Jobs. The author makes a good case for UBI as a liberating force for people whose lives are tied to demeaning work. His idea is that UBI would free people from being dependent on an economic master in order to have access to basic human needs like shelter, food, water, healthcare, etc. but also less concrete needs such as sociability, leisure, and play. It would have to go hand in hand with some regulation on prices.

He's an anarchist so he ostensibly has your same aversion (completely warranted) to the perpetuation of money and capitalism.

[–] phdepressed@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 days ago

I question whether that can occur in a good way. I don't see human greed going away, better to cage it under heavy control and not get complacent.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

We have many of the items on the list. I think UBI will take some time, and while the current government is still fighting it, we'll have to go back to tax the rich before long.