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National Science Foundation (NSF) had offered $1.5 million to address structural vulnerabilities in Python and the Python Package Index (PyPI), but the Foundation quickly became dispirited with the terms of the grant it would have to follow.

"These terms included affirming the statement that we 'do not, and will not during the term of this financial assistance award, operate any programs that advance or promote DEI [diversity, equity, and inclusion], or discriminatory equity ideology in violation of Federal anti-discrimination laws,'" Crary noted. "This restriction would apply not only to the security work directly funded by the grant, but to any and all activity of the PSF as a whole."

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[–] DarkAri@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 4 hours ago

I should use python more. I like when people have principles.

[–] bluesocks@lemmings.world 2 points 3 hours ago

Good.

I'm glad that the people offering this money did not compromise on their ideals.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 27 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Jesus the current US administration are cartoonishly evil. History is not going to be kind to the United States. In 30 Years there is going to be a museum with a little plaque on the wall and it'll say "did you know the United States used to be a relevant world power?".

[–] Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world -5 points 4 hours ago

Thank God that this doesn't prevent me from making anti DEI software using python.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 65 points 21 hours ago

Congratulations for having a real spine and showing the world that money isn't everything

Thank you python team

[–] abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 98 points 22 hours ago (7 children)

NSF: "We'll give you money as long as you don't hire minorities".

Python: "Get fucked."

Chad shit

[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 41 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Besides the anti-woke bullshit, it's just a bad idea to accept. It is absolutely not normal for a grant to have stipulations that if you violate some vaguely defined criteria somewhere in your organization, it can be clawed back at a later time. That's a huge liability for an organization to take on that they may suddenly owe a million dollars some time in the future.

[–] abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I mean basically yeah, "DEI" and "Woke" are right wing buzzwords that basically can mean whatever, and the Trump admin et al know this. They could say "letting x people use this is woke" or "hiring y people is DEI". The Anti-DEI movement is just an excuse for actual discrimination because now we have people being fired not because they are unfit for their job, but because they're from a minority who was deemed more qualified than someone who was White, Male and Cishet.

I mean Hegseth fired the Chief of Naval Operations because she was a woman. Straight up.

[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 40 minutes ago

What a time we live in. It really feels like a fever dream

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[–] libertyoftheforest@lemmy.wtf 29 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

That's right. Fuck anti-DEI. DEI is the future and good.

[–] PKscope@lemmy.world 2 points 48 minutes ago

DEI, otherwise known as hiring the right person for the job, regardless of label. It's wild that meritorious hiring principles aren't the norm in this country. Have to find out what you are before who you are matters.

[–] luciferofastora@feddit.org 5 points 9 hours ago

Uncritical application of DEI methods without due consideration for the objectives isn't reasonable.

But signing a contract that says "if you do anything we can construe as DEI we can demand payback of all the support you falsely relied on" is like stepping on a landmine and hoping the fuse stops working before you have to step off.

[–] AceOnTrack@lemmy.blahaj.zone -5 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

DEI is nothing more than an acceptable form of racism.

Hiring people to meet quotas does not make a society better and does nothing to fix the root cause of inequalities.

Free access to quality education, healthcare and funding higher education for the people who can't afford it is how you fix things for the better. This is the future and good.

DEI is the equivalent of a small band aid over a putrid, gaping wound.

[–] Honytawk@feddit.nl 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Quotas is just one small aspect of DEI.

Things like anonymous soliciting and punishing racism are others.

And even quotas are just a response to stupid people using their bias at their workplace while being blindly unaware of them.

The world is full of smart women and minorities. If there wasn't a bias we would be closer to 50% of managers not being white males.

[–] AceOnTrack@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I will admit I was mistaken, I forgot the quarterly company wide corporate email asking employees to not be openly racist at work.

Truly solving inequalities, one middle manager asking you to sign that you've read the email at a time.

The problem isn't that there isn't smart women and minorities, they exist. They're just crushed by the system. DEI won't solve that. DEI won't women and minorities the resources to achieve their dreams, DEI won't give handicapped people access to a better life.

DEI is a bandaid on a festering, maggot filled wound. People slap it on and are like "wow, what a good job", and it drives me crazy.

[–] BrilliantantTurd4361@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

DEI has been found to be a net good to society by numerous studies. You just get your panties in a bunch because you are ignorant af.

[–] AceOnTrack@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 hour ago

Social studies are about worth as much as the paper they're written on. 60 years ago studies said black people were inferior. In 60 years it'll be something else. They always match the era they were made in.

The only true solution to inequality is actual action against the cause of inequality, not some feelgood quarterly corporate email asking employees to not be openly racist at work.

[–] Flames5123@sh.itjust.works 74 points 1 day ago

The Seattle zoo also rejected federal funding with these strings. My wife lost her job because of it. Because it was just for one program and the no-DEI was organization wide…

Apparently the Portland Zoo signed it… No one expected that shit. We both let her parents know that this is because of their vote in another state.

[–] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 51 points 1 day ago

Good for them. It is good to see people do something right for once.

[–] SaneMartigan@aussie.zone 92 points 1 day ago (6 children)

There's an often repeated theme in philosophy that any gift that comes with conditions is actually just business.

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[–] daslfc@lemmy.world 68 points 1 day ago (2 children)

In 2 days the White House will order every companie to stop using python because of woke or something

[–] ebolapie@lemmy.world 43 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Imagining all the llm dorks suddenly trying to learn typescript over the weekend

[–] daslfc@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

It makes me very happy to think about

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[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 5 points 21 hours ago

Discrimination in the name of anti-discrimination

[–] Mwa@thelemmy.club 39 points 1 day ago (1 children)
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[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 49 points 1 day ago (1 children)

After growing up watching things like Bill Nye, seeing names like the NSF saying shit like this is like an actual fucking nightmare reality. It's just so incredibly wrong.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 5 points 9 hours ago

The python foundation should have asked them to define the terms of the contract in a document. At least that way we would have had a legal definition of what woke means in their eyes. Because I'm reasonably confident that even they don't know.

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