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National Science Foundation (NSF) had offered $1.5 million to address structural vulnerabilities in Python and the Python Package Index (PyPI), but the Foundation quickly became dispirited with the terms of the grant it would have to follow.

"These terms included affirming the statement that we 'do not, and will not during the term of this financial assistance award, operate any programs that advance or promote DEI [diversity, equity, and inclusion], or discriminatory equity ideology in violation of Federal anti-discrimination laws,'" Crary noted. "This restriction would apply not only to the security work directly funded by the grant, but to any and all activity of the PSF as a whole."

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[–] DarkAri@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 8 hours ago

I should use python more. I like when people have principles.

[–] bluesocks@lemmings.world 2 points 7 hours ago

Good.

I'm glad that the people offering this money did not compromise on their ideals.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 29 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Jesus the current US administration are cartoonishly evil. History is not going to be kind to the United States. In 30 Years there is going to be a museum with a little plaque on the wall and it'll say "did you know the United States used to be a relevant world power?".

[–] abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 102 points 1 day ago (7 children)

NSF: "We'll give you money as long as you don't hire minorities".

Python: "Get fucked."

Chad shit

[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 48 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Besides the anti-woke bullshit, it's just a bad idea to accept. It is absolutely not normal for a grant to have stipulations that if you violate some vaguely defined criteria somewhere in your organization, it can be clawed back at a later time. That's a huge liability for an organization to take on that they may suddenly owe a million dollars some time in the future.

[–] abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I mean basically yeah, "DEI" and "Woke" are right wing buzzwords that basically can mean whatever, and the Trump admin et al know this. They could say "letting x people use this is woke" or "hiring y people is DEI". The Anti-DEI movement is just an excuse for actual discrimination because now we have people being fired not because they are unfit for their job, but because they're from a minority who was deemed more qualified than someone who was White, Male and Cishet.

I mean Hegseth fired the Chief of Naval Operations because she was a woman. Straight up.

[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 4 hours ago

What a time we live in. It really feels like a fever dream

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 67 points 1 day ago

Congratulations for having a real spine and showing the world that money isn't everything

Thank you python team

[–] libertyoftheforest@lemmy.wtf 30 points 1 day ago (3 children)

That's right. Fuck anti-DEI. DEI is the future and good.

[–] PKscope@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago

DEI, otherwise known as hiring the right person for the job, regardless of label. It's wild that meritorious hiring principles aren't the norm in this country. Have to find out what you are before who you are matters.

[–] luciferofastora@feddit.org 6 points 13 hours ago

Uncritical application of DEI methods without due consideration for the objectives isn't reasonable.

But signing a contract that says "if you do anything we can construe as DEI we can demand payback of all the support you falsely relied on" is like stepping on a landmine and hoping the fuse stops working before you have to step off.

[–] Flames5123@sh.itjust.works 76 points 1 day ago

The Seattle zoo also rejected federal funding with these strings. My wife lost her job because of it. Because it was just for one program and the no-DEI was organization wide…

Apparently the Portland Zoo signed it… No one expected that shit. We both let her parents know that this is because of their vote in another state.

[–] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 53 points 1 day ago

Good for them. It is good to see people do something right for once.

[–] SaneMartigan@aussie.zone 94 points 1 day ago (4 children)

There's an often repeated theme in philosophy that any gift that comes with conditions is actually just business.

[–] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I would use the term extortion, but yup.

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[–] daslfc@lemmy.world 70 points 1 day ago (2 children)

In 2 days the White House will order every companie to stop using python because of woke or something

[–] ebolapie@lemmy.world 45 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Imagining all the llm dorks suddenly trying to learn typescript over the weekend

[–] daslfc@lemmy.world 4 points 12 hours ago

It makes me very happy to think about

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[–] Mwa@thelemmy.club 40 points 1 day ago (1 children)
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[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 50 points 1 day ago (1 children)

After growing up watching things like Bill Nye, seeing names like the NSF saying shit like this is like an actual fucking nightmare reality. It's just so incredibly wrong.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 6 points 13 hours ago

The python foundation should have asked them to define the terms of the contract in a document. At least that way we would have had a legal definition of what woke means in their eyes. Because I'm reasonably confident that even they don't know.

[–] beejjorgensen@lemmy.sdf.org 297 points 1 day ago (16 children)

One of our geology grants got hit for mentioning mineral inclusion. Total clown show.

[–] deathbird@mander.xyz 8 points 1 day ago

An administration that uses LLMs and Ctrl + F and vibes for policy decisions that don't sound good even before you realize they don't make sense, and ignores courts and due process... it's a hazard to touch.

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[–] AtariDump@lemmy.world 117 points 1 day ago
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