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Or asked the other way around: How long do you keep your servers running without installing any software updates?

update means something like

sudo dnf update

or something ....

apt-get upgrade
apt-get update
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[–] sobchak@programming.dev 1 points 1 hour ago

When something doesn't work. I.e. when an app update causes incompatibility with a service. I think I have one server that's a few years without an update (distro version may actually be EOL for all I know).

[–] jimmy90@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

my nixos containers and the podman containers inside them update nightly around 03:00

[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 3 points 5 hours ago

Monthly unless I learn about a vulnerability that would require it sooner.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

Apt update and upgrade happen automatically.

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

If I have something serious, I will set up automatic upgrades. If short downtimes are ok, also with automatic reboots when the kernel updates.

If it's not anything serious, whenever I remember to.

[–] Mikelius@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 hours ago

Daily on my Gentoo server, through a Cronjob every morning. It's a custom script though, so there's more than just doing an emerge update. It'll send me ntfy notifications for the update results, if there are new news items, and if there are any time config merge updates to make. A few other things as well but that's the main stuff.

Other servers, typically weekly or only manually when I ssh into them (for the ones I don't really feel the need to update frequently).

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 0 points 8 hours ago

Yum-cron. Daily. Rolling bounce on a schedule.

It has been rock-solid for 20 years, but lennart's cancer and the growing amount of shite they're shoveling into EL has caused a few issues here and there with 7, 9 and 10. (Skipped 8 because f that)

But, today, it works. So that's year 23 and 8 months.

[–] pHr34kY@lemmy.world 7 points 17 hours ago

Whenever I ssh into it.

[–] mjr@infosec.pub 51 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Those apt commands are in a less-good order. It's usually better to update apt, then upgrade the system.

I upgrade as soon as reasonably possible after the notification appears, if the system isn't on auto-upgrade.

[–] njordomir@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I do sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade

Is there any reason to not combine the commands since the output always prompts prior to changes anyway?

[–] cyberwolfie@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 hours ago

I think their point was to make sure they are done in order, i.e. update before upgrade, not the other way around as in OPs example.

[–] dust_accelerator@discuss.tchncs.de 35 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Every night at ~ 12-1am

unattended updates / transactional-update are awesome.

Stuff has been running for years, and it's still up to date.

[–] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 1 points 8 hours ago

I wish I could use unattended-upgrade.

It literally restarts my server even when I disable the option, leaving it hung if the USB boot key isn't in there.

I had to stop using it, so now I just manually upgrade because that doesn't auto-restart without my permission...

[–] Ugurcan@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

Tell me you’re using nightly builds as well.

[–] southernbeaver@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago

This guy scares me

[–] DasFaultier@sh.itjust.works 3 points 22 hours ago

This is the way! At least install security upgrades nightly using unattended-upgrades and reboot from time to time to get the latest Kernel version.

[–] gopher@programming.dev 2 points 22 hours ago

Once per week for me. Works really great on openSUSE MicroOS. Had to roll back maybe a couple of times the last few years.

That said, I run basically everything in containers so the OS installed things are lean.

[–] Dran_Arcana@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Unattended-upgrade does security-only patching once every 4 hours (in rough sync with my local mirror)

Full upgrades are done weekly, accompanied by a reboot

I find that the split between security patching and feature/bug patching maintains a healthy balance knowing when something is likely to break but never being behind on the latest cve.

[–] cenzorrll@piefed.ca 2 points 21 hours ago

For me, unattended-upgrade does it's thing. Updating other packages happens whenever I think about it. Very few things are not containerized and there's very little added beyond the base Debian install, so when I do update its maybe a dozen packages.

I would previously reboot during thunderstorms if we lost power, but now that I've got a UPS I probably ought to come up with a different plan.

[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

When I remember. About once a month.

[–] spacelord@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Same here. No auto updates, no touching of a stable system without my manual intervention. 😅

[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 23 hours ago

Last thing I need in my life is a broken system at home when I don’t have time for it!

[–] sneezycat@sopuli.xyz 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Well, one of the reasons I'm using debian on my server is so I can kinda forget about it...

I'll update maybe once a month, or every couple months. I don't always restart though, so my kernel is probably a bit behind :'D

[–] eksb@programming.dev 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I use Debian stable and subscribe to the debian-security-announce mailing list, so I update each time I get an email from it.

[–] amju_wolf@pawb.social 1 points 22 hours ago

This is the way. (At least for a server)

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago (7 children)

That's... Not how it works.. Debian is "stable" not "secure". You use Debian so that is easier to run updates frequently since they'll be unlikely to break things.

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[–] PlanterTree@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

lol. Same issue for me. I run it for months, and surprisingly (for me) nothing breaks at all.

But fucking ssh shows warnings regarding some "post quantum crypto" stuff; recommending software update, that was not there before lol.

[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 4 points 21 hours ago

Weekly. Cronjob.

[–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 23 hours ago

On Windows, almost never since it was a disruptive shitshow. Now that I've got everything running Linux it's weekly. Often sooner if I happen to be remoting in and manually update.

[–] hexagonwin@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 22 hours ago

maybe like once in 3 months. i usually update when i need to setup something new on the server that needs to install new packages.

[–] melfie@lemy.lol 3 points 21 hours ago

I run Ubuntu Server 24.04 LTS with k3s. I update my container versions every few months, though not everything I’m running all at once. I update the actual system packages via apt maybe once a year and end up nuking and re-installing everything every couple years on average. I deliberately block all inbound WAN traffic in my firewall and use k8s network policies to aggressively limit egress WAN connections because I’m aware that I’m bad about keeping things up to date.

[–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Once a week. I have a bash script that does an apt update upgrade and pulls new docker images.

[–] jbk@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 20 hours ago

podman quadlets with auto updates running on opensuse microos

im not yet self hosting a ton of services tho

[–] deleted@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

I do it every 3 to 5 days. I usually do it when I have time to fix things if it goes south.

[–] confusedpuppy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

On Alpine Linux I update my two Pi servers at 2 in the morning daily. It's simpler compared to Debian which needs unattended-updates. Just add apk update && apk upgrade to a cron job and you're good to go.

I only have three docker services which is simple enough to update manually.

I like to keep things as simple as possible for my already chaotic brain.

[–] stratself@lemdro.id 1 points 8 hours ago

To make it even simpler, apk -U upgrade

[–] non_burglar@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Be careful with unattended upgrades, even on alpine. A recent breaking change in python3 broke my alpine 23 ansible instance. Thankfully I have backups, but if you're going to automate the upgrade, you should automate tests as well.

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[–] suicidaleggroll@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Every couple of days. I don't auto-update, but I've streamlined the process to the point that I can just open a single web page and see the number of pending updates for every system on my network, docker containers included, each one with a button. Clicking the button applies the update and reboots if necessary. So it takes about 15 seconds of effort to update everything, which is why I don't mind doing it so often.

[–] lemming741@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Probably every 2 months. When I have a day off work with nothing to do. I have a few VMs that are more fragile than I want to admit and if something breaks I want to have time to tinker instead of just restoring a backup.

[–] reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I SSH in and run an update manually, once a week.

I'm not knowledgable and comfortable enough to let updates happen automatically and feel like I could trust it to keep running. Not yet, anyway.

Edit: But at some point I might do what another commenter said and make sure security updates run automatically and check other updates weekly.

[–] MTK@lemmy.world 1 points 21 hours ago

Anything exposed to the internet gets a daily / weekly update, depending on how exposed it is, how stable the updates are and how critical a breach would be. For example nginx would be a daily update.

Anything behind a vpn gets a more random update schedule mostly based on when I feel like it (probably around once a month or every other month)

[–] First_Thunder@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago

Using nix :P

I update the flake every now and then via nix flake updated and then do a rebuild

[–] Shimitar@downonthestreet.eu 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Gentooer here. Emerge sync &; world daily at night.

Weekly a manual check for stuff that doesn't autoupdate for reasons.

Monthly / biweekly podman compose pull for containers. Manual, because i don't trust that kind of autoupdate.

Edit: opnSense updates are manual only when I remember because if it breaks, I must be at home to fix it or i lose remote access and that's bad.

[–] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

everyday to once a month, depending how often I use the server

IME usually waiting longer to apply larger updates causes more issues than smaller and more frequent ones

[–] hydrian@twit.social 3 points 1 day ago (4 children)

@PlanterTree Systems facing public internet, security updates are applied daily automatically.

up to now I install all my updates manually, maybe I should look into this: how to auto-update.

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[–] ilco@feddit.nl 1 points 22 hours ago

Usely every 3/4 months roughly. I try to remeber to update. The base. Server. And docker based things! /webserices. I update. Sparingly. Every few new versions. As I am the only user of my server. I don't have a high need to update. So I update only if a new future. Is added or a mayor bug /security patch.

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