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Old, but fun read that argues that today's programmers are not like typical Engineers and shouldn't really call themselves that as Engineering requires certification, is subject to government regulation, bear a burden to the public, etc.

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[–] leisesprecher@feddit.org 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

All this gate keeping is bullshit, but I do have to agree that we are really bad at actually engineering.

[–] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I don't think gate keeping engineering is bullshit, software or otherwise. In fact I think it is one of the few eminently important things to gatekeep.

If computer systems have peoples lives depending on them, having accredited engineers that may be part of a chain of liability for their mistakes is a potentially life saving measure. It provides increased guarantee that someone will be held responsible, be it the firm, or in the case of bankruptcy, the individual engineer.

This provides a significant incentive to only sign off on work that meets all relevant safety criteria.

I'm not sure if that's how it works in software engineering, but it certainly should.

[–] jonathan@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago

There are separate titles for accredited engineers in the US and UK. If anyone cared enough they'd already be using them. The fact is, vanishingly few software engineers work on high risk (to human life) projects. Versus, for example, structural engineers doing it daily.

There is a huge difference between a "programmer" who just codes, and a software engineer, who studied computer science and learned the skills for problem solving as an engineer. The latter is protected in many countries.

[–] weker01@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In Germany engineer is a regulated term. Computer scientists wanting to call themselves engineer or software engineer need to complete certain higher education programs. A B.Sc. program in CS is enough for example.

[–] antithetical@lemmy.deedium.nl 1 points 1 year ago

Same for the Netherlands.

[–] BetaDoggo_@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Tech bros have ruined the prestige of a lot of titles. Software "Engineer", Systems "Architect", Data "Scientist", Computer "Wizard", etc.

[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

If they didn't make you put a ring on it, you're not an engineer. Simple as.