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TL;DW: Fast charging over 2 years only degraded the battery an extra 0.5%, even on extremely fast charging Android phones using 120W.

And with that, hopefully we can put this argument to rest.

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[–] qualia@lemmy.world 94 points 2 days ago (4 children)

However the Battery Saver mode on Androids that only charges the battery up to 80% DOES extend battery life. Substantial evidence shows that a high State of Charge accelerates degradation through: solid electrolyte interphase growth, loss of lithium inventory, and loss of active materials. (See: mdpi.com)

[–] SaraTonin@lemmy.world 32 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Here’s a fun fact: phone manufacturers know this. So what they call “100%” is not actually 100%. Your phone will not charge your battery to full. Battery charging is already designed around this.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That depends on the manufacturer, some do, some don't. My phone has a setting to control the max charge, so I set it to 80% when I got it.

[–] Predator@feddit.uk 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yes, but that 100% is not really that. It has been programmed to display that percentage, when i reality its 80%.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago (11 children)

No, I'm saying that not all manufacturers have that limit, and it's a relatively new setting (last few years). If you have an older phone or something not from the top few manufacturers, it might not have that feature.

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[–] mjr@infosec.pub 26 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Got proof? I've not cracked open a phone for a while to see if the component labelling matches the interface, let alone tested capacity of an extracted battery directly.

[–] SaraTonin@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)
[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 12 points 2 days ago

He's not talking about 80/20 limits. he's talking about material breakdown at extremes. Not all manufacturers spec in 80/20 limits. AFAIK, only Samsung actually lets you stop it completely at 80, the rest just try to let it sit no higher than 80 all night.

If they were saccrificing 40% of runtime to keep you from having to replace your battery, that would 100% be in the sales pitch.

And honestly, that article isn't a great source of truth. A number of the statements in there are inaccurate or, at the very least, misleading.

Charging beyond 100% or below 0% is mostly BS. The proper max voltage of the battery is a physics thing, they are in equilibrium at 4.7 / cell. Picking at a low power limit is up to the manufacturer and their choice in power distribution circuitry. He asked the chemist if you could overcharge or overdischarge a battery and mistook that as an answer that it was feasible to overcharge/overdischarge them.

"Leaving a charger plugged in at the wall and turned on wastes energy False (well, maybe a tiny bit)" This is still true for many chargers, and calling it out as a little bit in his own arbitrary numbers is disingenuous.

"Batteries perform worse when they’re cold False (mostly)"

Rest assured, your C rating is wildly affected by temperature; he's trying to again call it out as slight, which is making his own narrative.

"Powering off a device occasionally helps preserve battery life False"

The whole time your phone is on, you are charging or discharging. Those cycles wear on the battery any time you shut your phone off, you are in the least damaging mode for your battery, especially if it's around 50% or so.

"Using an unofficial charger damages your phone True"

100% BS, using a crappy charger might damage your phone. Buying a quality 3rd party chager is no problem at all.

The author doesn't appear to have a strong electronics background and he didn't ask the right questions or fully understand the importat parts of the answers

"And if too much current is delivered to a battery, that could mean ripping out too many of those lithium ions and leading to the same kind of degradation you read about earlier. That’s not to say that all off-brand chargers will be this bad, Griffith notes, but you’re still probably better off sticking with an official model." is not the same as "Using an unofficial charger damages your phone"

[–] mjr@infosec.pub 9 points 2 days ago

Article rests on one expert. That assistant professor's publication list doesn't seem to contain evidence about it, plus the quotes in the article don't directly say it happens.

Maybe it does, but that article only seems to be guessing based on (admittedly reasonable) theory.

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[–] shane@feddit.nl 14 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I always find the same study referenced, which was good science but also almost 30 years old. I wonder if this is still true for modern batteries?

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[–] Tja@programming.dev 7 points 2 days ago

FYI: During this test it saved about 5% of SoH.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 84 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Betteridge's law of headlines: "Any headline that ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no."

[–] By_pander@feddit.org 33 points 3 days ago (8 children)

„Is drinking Paint thinner really as bad as everybody says?“

[–] Strobelt@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Well. It could be worse than what everybody says

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[–] Sims@lemmy.ml 154 points 3 days ago (1 children)

"And with that, hopefully we can put this argument to rest."

That's not how the internet works, but nice try though ;-)

[–] PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world 43 points 3 days ago (3 children)
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[–] BlackLaZoR@fedia.io 171 points 3 days ago (9 children)

It's as if engineers knew what they're doing.

[–] QuadratureSurfer@piefed.social 136 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Granted, with all the planned obsolescence happening, you could also argue that engineers "knew" what they were doing.

[–] BlackLaZoR@fedia.io 34 points 3 days ago (8 children)

Planned obsolescence happens but it's not as common as most people think it is.

[–] towerful@programming.dev 3 points 2 days ago

The planned obsolescence is most likely a deliberate trade off rather than actual planned obsolescence.

If fast charging did do significant damage to battery life and this was known at the time of implementation, the decision would have been "users want fast charging phones" Vs "users want devices that last a long time".
In this instance, the convenience of fast charging absolutely would have won.

"Users want a clear and easy to use device" Vs "users want a robust device". Which is why we all have glass screens, and the glass technology had to catch up to further expectations.

"Users want easy wireless connectivity" Vs "users want fast and reliable network speeds". WiFi wins, and has to catch up to further expectations.

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[–] amorpheus@lemmy.world 41 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

If engineers were the ones in control that would mean something.

As I see it, phone manufacturers have zero reasons to keep the battery degradation low, but many reasons to push advertised capacity and charging speed. If you were cynical, you could also assume that they're trying to make sure the battery doesn't last too long because they want to keep selling new phones.

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[–] PostaL@lemmy.world 79 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)
[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 20 points 2 days ago

I’ve got some devices I’ve been fast charging for 8 years; it seems to be more of a problem as the device ages; but that’s offset by having it ready to use again quickly.

[–] DacoTaco@lemmy.world 28 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Ok, before i watch the video, no damage is not what great scott found from his testings.. ( https://youtu.be/iMn2yVoEqPs ).

so i have no idea what to believe anymore, but my (based) experience is that it does damage it. Ill have to watch later.

[–] Smokeless7048@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Yea, but that wasn't a great rest. I love Great Scott, but a lot of comments fairly call out his conclusion.

Most (all?)phones don't charge at full speed to 100% charge, they fast charge when the battery is almoast empty, and charge slower the more full it gets.

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[–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 41 points 3 days ago (19 children)

I hadn't watched the video yet, but my phone's going the opposite way. It run slow charge overnight when it feels like it's going to be enough for it to be fully charged the next morning.

We really should let electronics and tight software take care of these little things.

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 31 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

My phone tells me every night that it's slow charging and it will be full by [the time I have my alarm set for].

Pixel 8 Pro.

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[–] MurrayL@lemmy.world 36 points 3 days ago (31 children)

Non-magnetically-aligned wireless chargers are far worse than fast charging.

[–] aBundleOfFerrets@sh.itjust.works 28 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Far worse at what? Wasting energy? That isn’t what the video is testing.

[–] MurrayL@lemmy.world 43 points 3 days ago (4 children)

At killing batteries faster - the wasted energy creates heat, which degrades the battery.

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[–] Ibuthyr@lemmy.wtf 24 points 3 days ago (14 children)

I always thought that charging beyond 85% or so is what degrades batteries. The LiPos of my quadcopter actually actively reduce their charge if left sitting somewhere for a longer period of time. To prevent them from going up in flames.

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