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[–] Mk23simp@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I wrote in "Gaza" on the primary, but come november I am 100% sure that I'm gonna be voting D as hard as I can because my partner is trans and I'd rather not be driven from the country by transphobia, thanks.

Criticising the democrats for when they're not good is absolutely valid, but at the same time, get out and vote for them and mobilize as many voters for them as you can, because the difference in outcome between the two parties with legitimate chances of winning is too great to throw away your votes protesting the lesser of two evils. By all means, keep protesting (In other ways, besides the ballot box), but also do your part to make sure that we get the lesser of two evils, not the greater.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Violence against trans individuals has increased under Biden. That isn't because Biden is "tougher on trans issues," it's because the DNC is doing absolutely nothing to prevent the root cause of fascism from rising, which is decaying Capitalism.

Vote for whoever you want, but if you want to protect your partner, you'll likely get best results by living in a blue area of a blue state, regardless of who is in the federal office.

[–] Fades@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Capitalism is an enabler not a cause of fascism, there’s a difference

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

What do you believe to be the cause of fascism, the declining material conditions of Capitalism, or the spread of dangerous ideas?

In my opinion, the latter is only possible if the former is already true. Historically, fascism has been an attempt by the Bourgeoisie and Petite Bourgeoisie to ally and "turn the clock back" to the "good old days." It's why we see so many small business owners riding the Tesla Train, and why Musk has been supporting fascists on X like EndWokeness and LibsOfTikTok. This extreme nationalism and hardcore embrace of "tradition" is economic in cause.

Capitalism leads to fascism or Socialism, whoever wins the struggle as it dies. It's up to Leftists to struggle against fascism at every step so that we can progress forwards, not regress.

[–] Mk23simp@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

We're absolutely planning to live in a blue state. But the ability to be safe even in blue states is in question if Trump gets elected again. If he does, then we're probably gonna try to get out of the country as quickly as possible rather than waiting around to find out.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Generally Blue states have managed to keep things like Abortion Protections and whatnot in place, as well as other progressive social protections, and even in the face of a possible federal crackdown, the people in blue areas of blue states aren't suddenly going to have a switch in their brain turn red, you and your partner should be safe. I encourage you to do what you believe is best for you and your partner, my point was to drive home that the DNC likely will not be able to protect your partner if you live in a red state, or a red area of a blue state. If your plan was to hope Kamala gets elected and institutes federal protections of transgender people in Red States, then I hope you reconsidered your plan.

[–] Mk23simp@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

We don't live in those "generally" times, currently. One of our candidates is running on a fascist platform, tried to do a fascist coup (and got away with no consequences for it), and has both promised and planned to overthrow democracy if he's elected.

Maybe he would be prevented from doing all that stuff even if he won, but I'm definitely not counting on that. I'm gonna be fleeing like a jew from Nazi Germany because quite frankly that's what I see it potentially becoming, and they've definitely painted a target on the backs of trans people in particular.

I am under no illusions that the democrats will be fully on our side, but when the other side is specifically trying to wipe out people like my partner, they're a very clear choice. I'd much rather live under a government that's not actively trying to wipe us out.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

We don't live in those "generally" times, currently. One of our candidates is running on a fascist platform, tried to do a fascist coup (and got away with no consequences for it), and has both promised and planned to overthrow democracy if he's elected.

Then why do you think Kamala winning would stop the movement towards fascism? If the fascists don't care about democracy, do you expect them to just sit there if they lose electorally?

Maybe he would be prevented from doing all that stuff even if he won, but I'm definitely not counting on that. I'm gonna be fleeing like a jew from Nazi Germany because quite frankly that's what I see it potentially becoming, and they've definitely painted a target on the backs of trans people in particular.

Do what you need to do to keep yourself and your partner safe, but don't depend on dems winning the federal election to protect.

[–] Mk23simp@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

If the democrats lose the election, I fully expect them to roll over and let Trump take power. In that case, Trump would have the institutions on his side, even as he seeks to dismantle those same institutions going forward. Democrats constantly show themselves to be willing to play by the rules, even as Republicans show themselves to be willing to bend those rules.

If he loses the election, I expect there will be an attempt to take power anyways (again), but I think that attempt is likely to fail (again) when he doesn't have the institutions on his side.

The degree of difference between the two potential outcomes is quite pronounced. You can say "Both sides bad" and you'd be right, but bad vs good is not a binary, it's a spectrum, and there's a huge degree of difference in how bad the two sides are.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

If he loses the election, I expect there will be an attempt to take power anyways (again), but I think that attempt is likely to fail (again) when he doesn't have the institutions on his side.

This is the bit that I don't quite agree with. If the fascists are powerful enough to assert absolute power if they win, then they are also powerful enough to overturn the results if they lose. This is what has historically happened with fascism, you can't get it to leave by playing nice. Either they are strong enough to overturn the election anyways, or they aren't strong enough to overpower blue states in a GOP federal win.

[–] ignotum@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Hitler gained power "legally" and then made changes to secure and increase it until he was a dictator

Mussolini was democratically elected, then secured and increased his power until he was a dictator

Trump will try to get elected, then try to secure and increase his power until he is a dictator

Most institutions follow the laws, so a person trying to seize power by force will have to fight much harder that someone that gains power through normal means, and then manipulates said institutions from the inside

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 months ago

Hitler lost the 1932 Election, the liberals sided with the fascists and conceded power. It was "above board," but could only happen because of the embedded influence of the Nazi Party.

[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I agree. Let's support Trump, the person who legalised the West Bank occupation.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You don't have to support Biden or Trump if genocide is a red line for you.

[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You will, however, be politically impotent in that case. Checking out of democracy because one option is only incrementally better than the other isn't really helping anyone.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

What do you mean by "checking out of democracy?"

As for Kamala being less evil, this is true, yes. However, what's the plan, long-term? Just keep voting for increasingly right-wing ghouls, as long as they aren't as bad as the GOP, until the GOP inevitably wins again?

[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

If you want democrats to be a certain way, vote for those democrats in primaries and local elections. You have to fix it from the bottom up and from within.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This is historically inaccurate, though. You can't fix the party from within, because the DNC will always serve its donors. Voting for slightly more progressive democrats won't actually change that fact.

[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Then I'd say your options are relocate to somewhere with a more appealing government or cede electoral power to others. Third parties are irrelevant on the national scale, and only slightly less so on the state scale.

Agitate for RCV or other election reforms that make third parties more relevant, but until that's the case I'll stand by my earlier assertions.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Then I'd say your options are relocate to somewhere with a more appealing government or cede electoral power to others. Third parties are irrelevant on the national scale, and only slightly less so on the state scale.

The Left has no electoral power in a system dominated by financial interests. The DNC does not represent the Left.

Agitate for RCV or other election reforms that make third parties more relevant, but until that's the case I'll stand by my earlier assertions.

Why would the DNC or GOP weaken their own standing?

[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Exactly. I agree 100%. The system is what it is and it will only change over the course of lifetimes, not years. Unless your solution is violent revolution in which case I'd still say to also cast meaningful votes based on some criteria of your choosing. I guess you could vote Republican on the hopes a fascist America would more quickly be overthrown internally or externally. That sounds like a terrible timeline to live through, though.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The system is what it is and it will only change over the course of lifetimes, not years.

Capitalism likely will not last that long. The US is losing its Hegemony and the Global South is increasingly acting in their own interests.

Unless your solution is violent revolution in which case I'd still say to still also cast meaningful votes based on some criteria of your choosing.

Revolution will likely eventually occur, it's not something I can just force into happening. Who I vote for will not materially change that course. I do plan on voting, but even if I vote for PSL it won't materially move the Revolution up the schedule.

I guess you could vote Republican on the hopes a fascist America would more quickly be overthrown internally or externally. That sounds like a terrible timeline to live through, though.

Accelerationism is dangerous thinking that quickly backfires. Organizing is still by far the most important duty of Leftists.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It must be frustrating to see the course America is on, know what it would take to alter it, but be powerless to stop it.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 months ago

It's actually comforting, and there's much to be done to prepare. Organizing and building dual power is still necessary for American Leftists, such is our duty in dying Empire.

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Does lemmy.world really have that many USAmericans?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 months ago

Yes, it's generally American Radical Liberals (not to be confused with leftists).

[–] CaliforniaKove@lemmy.ca 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Glad people is realizing how lw mods are and act.

Basically liberals and Zionists

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 months ago

Those left on Lemmy.world either deny it or enjoy it.

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